Bahamas: Missing Female Diver

[mrlipis]

Although I'm unwilling to die trying to rescue someone, the above actions are not significantly threatening. A mask is nice, but not required and I won't immediately die if someone pulls the reg out of my mouth. I have a spare, and sometimes two.

Those actions are very much threatening and I don't understand why you would think they aren't. While not necessarily life threatening, it is certainly not a position I would want to put myself into. We do not know what this woman's frame of mind was and I am not necessarily defending the actions or lack of from the DM, but I guarantee you, if someone does not want to be rescued, I am not going to risk my life to save someone who doesn't want to be helped. It's not like we are in a position to talk this person through the problem.
Unfortunately we never seem to be able to end up with all the facts. This thread will die off and we may never know the true story here.

 

[Web Monkey]

Those actions are very much threatening and I don't understand why you would think they aren't.

Take a good Adv Nitrox/Deco class.

I paid actual money to train for stuff like that.

Terry

 

[divengolf]

There have been further posts on the incident. I don't know if you have seen them. Danthe Engineer has spoken to several people from SC about the incident, and has given some further information as it was relayed to him.

Where are they?? On SB or elsewhere?

 

[bleeb]

Where are they?? On SB or elsewhere?

In this thread.

 

[TheScubaBOB]

Basic EFR & Rescue Question:

Isn't one of the first steps to always get consent to help? In the case of a non-responsive diver then consent is implied but if someone is resisting your attempts to help then clearly there is NO CONSENT.

I'm not asking to be a prick or try to incite an argument, this is a serious question from someone just 10 days out of PADI Rescue Diver Course.

 

[fisheyeview]

Basic EFR & Rescue Question:

Isn't one of the first steps to always get consent to help? In the case of a non-responsive diver then consent is implied but if someone is resisting your attempts to help then clearly there is NO CONSENT.

I'm not asking to be a prick or try to incite an argument, this is a serious question from someone just 10 days out of PADI Rescue Diver Course.

Often medical treatments, and psyciatric treatments, are done all the time without concent if the person is not capable of making an informed decision. In those cases there is often time to go through the legal process. In this case obviously there was not the luxury to do that. The rescurer would have to make a quick decision as to the ability of the victim to make an informed decision. In my opinion a person attempting suicide would not be capable of making an informed decision. I would at least attempt to rescue the person. This would also apply to someone who is narced, as their judgement is impared.

This is not meant to imply that the DM did not do her job.

 

[divengolf]

In this thread.

I know that. I thought he was referring to a current update, not something a few days old.

 

[Doc Intrepid]

The incident description posts in this thread have been carefully caveated (danclem, onlyhalcyon, meg diver);

Even the 'primary witness' (see post number 48) onlyhalcyon did not see/know what occurred with the DM.

Dantheengineer provided "dockside hearsay" in post number 163.

No one posting in this thread was a direct witness to this entire incident.

This entire thread is an exercise in deduction, logical or otherwise, based on interviews, rational assumptions, and massive speculation.

 

[TheScubaBOB]

Often medical treatments, and psyciatric treatments, are done all the time without concent if the person is not capable of making an informed decision. In those cases there is often time to go through the legal process. In this case obviously there was not the luxury to do that. The rescurer would have to make a quick decision as to the ability of the victim to make an informed decision. In my opinion a person attempting suicide would not be capable of making an informed decision. I would at least attempt to rescue the person. This would also apply to someone who is narced, as their judgement is impared.

This is not meant to imply that the DM did not do her job.

Again, one of the points they drive home in EFR is that we are not said medicial professionals and therefore can't be expected to perform to the same standards.

Nowhere in the course does it tell you that there is implied consent for any reason other than nonresponsive victim.

We have the right to be stupid, we have the right to endanger our own life. Who are we to judge another person's mental state.

In the case of a panicked diver they are seeking our help (albiet not calmly) so we have consent.

If I'm underwater (at any depth) and just want to be left alone then that is my choice.

If a friend of mine is had too much to drink I would try to get their keys from them and offer to drive them home. I wouldn't get into a physical altercation with them over it. I'd simply call the police and report that they are driving ahile drunk and give them the plate & description of the vehicle as well as my friend's address so they can intercept them.

Again, I'm trying to discuss this seriously to expand my understanding.

 

[SteveAD]

If a friend of mine is had too much to drink I would try to get their keys from them and offer to drive them home. I wouldn't get into a physical altercation with them over it. I'd simply call the police and report that they are driving ahile drunk and give them the plate & description of the vehicle as well as my friend's address so they can intercept them.

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I on the other hand, if I saw an obviously drunk friend about to hop into their car and drive away, would first, try to convince them it was a bad idea, but would not hesitate, if necessary, to physically restrain them.

Sure, I would technically be guilty of battery, but I would have a clean concience that I did what was necessary to prevent someone from getting hurt.