Bad Ending to Otherwise Good Bonaire Trip

[keithdiver]

Here, let me fix that for you

Like i said i am not subjecting myself to respond to someone who has been to an Island onceLow self asteem causes the negative responses:shocked2:

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

These are scary numbers. As has been the rule here, posters will come on and say, if you were a victim of crime on Bonaire, it's because YOU didn't use common sense.

Can you quote from something more recent than a post from a year ago and an article from two years ago... which have already been discussed on this and other threads by everyone?

My god, did you even read this thread from the beginning? If you did how could you miss the "solutions" suggested at the beginning of the thread and all of us who acknowledged crime, abhor it, discussed methods of stopping it and Liz implemented a drive to get messages from divers to implore the police to do more to stop crime on Bonaire...

Keep up that part about being out of date and far behind the discussions PiFi... There are hundreds of reports from the archives you haven't searched yet. I am certain you can find bits and pieces in those where you can stretch the discussion without reading the content of the thread too...

Typical ridiculous claims of "white washing and pixie dust".... WOLF, WOLF!

 

[gypsyjim]

Quote:
Originally Posted by keithdiver View Post
Does anyone notice the only one posting truthful information about Bonaire is this pilot fish guy: I think he has maybe been there once -but knows the score better than most
cause he isn't worried about facts or real current information, but just hooked on his own one drum bandwagon

Here, let me fix that for you

fixed you fix for you!

 

[Mike]

This thread scares the $%&* out of me.... I have never heard any reports in the Cayman or the Coz sections where a room invasion happened... and THREE people on just this one thread had a room invasion happen. I've had stuff stolen here in Alaska, but I wasn't in the room or in the car when it was stolen. That's what is so weird about this thread, this was a threat to the occupants of the room, not just a theft, people don't seem to get that.

Well, some of us do get it, others don't like anything like this being posted about Bonaire, others pick a side in an argument and stick with it no matter how absurd it becomes and they end up acting like they 'don't get it' even though they do cause they can't be rational once they declare their side in the argument. A few step back and look at things objectively and call it as it is.

Regardless of how people discuss it. It won't change the reality that the incident that sparks the discussion has happened to the person that posted it. Whether some want to argue tangential points or stand on ridiculous soap boxes, the facts remain the people who have experience the theft have experienced it and the incident does exist.

You have to understand that a lot of Bonaire fans had fallen into a habit of defending the petty crime at the dive sites over the years. It's a habit, and when things have escalated they have let themselves trap themselves into defending the additional incidents until now they are ridiculously defending room invasions.

This has been the issue all along. It's great you love the place, it's a great place to dive, but let's call a spade a spade. You'll have a whole lot more credibility when you do instead of blindly defending any crime on Bonaire as overblown.

Room invasions are extremely serious incidents. They are just a single happenstance, a single unfortunate event away from being reported as an assault or a murder. When you get to the point of the crime escalating to the level of room invasion it's only a matter of time till one of these crimes escalates to the next level by circumstances alone.

These are the issues that rational people understand and the white washers want to ignore and what makes rational people see the absurdity in their white washing.

The white washers simple answer to the escalation to a room invasion is

1) to point to the history of crime on Bonaire being so far non-violent and pretending that escalation of the severity of the crime has no relationship to violence being the next step.

2) They try to shift blame to the victim. - Why do you need that laptop, or whatever fancy gadget they can conveniently use and shift blame by using the victim asked for it anyways. Again ignoring absurdity of the consequences when the criminals dictate a persons actions in the privacy of their room or in supposedly secure accommodations

3) They try to make an irrational crime comparison to the USA, forgetting that when they compare Bonaire they must compare it to a small town in the USA, since the entire island population is under 15,000 people. Most small towns of under 15,000 have no where near this type of crime, and especially not on-going crime where everybody knows everybody and everybody knows who is doing what. Some people don't find it surprising to note that in small towns some people even leave their houses un-locked. On Bonaire people are posting about how they are turning condos into secure fortresses, a requirement due to the crime issues.

4) They offer up solutions that place the victim at fault for not following what they pass off as 'the normal' way of going on vacation, such as bringing door wedges with you or other security devices.

Unfortunately when they stand on #4 it doesn't take long for reality to come crashing back at them, such as a new post that effectively offers a new crime that negates the previous counter measure. This happened on this board not too long ago when the white washers were all standing on the grounds of a simple door wedge would have prevented the room invasion at night, or a simple glass of water placed by the door, or a stack of dishes...etc... then somebody reported that their room was ransacked and the safe was pried open while they were gone and of course could not install any of the white washers anti-theft counter measures which require you to be in the room to set them up.

It's their catch 22 and their circle of irrational outlook on all this that keeps them looking like white washers and making you say the obvious -

That's what is so weird about this thread, this was a threat to the occupants of the room, not just a theft, people don't seem to get that

The problem the white washers face in their endless quest to pretend nothing is happening, is that crimes keep getting reported.

The white washers like the great Oz in the Wizard of Oz want you to ignore that man behind the curtain. They want everyone to ignore the crime, but unfortunately it keeps happening and getting posted here.

 

[DandyDon]

Bonaire dishonestly wiothholds those fropm the public. If the truth were ever known, divers would not go there, which is why they do not publish them

Yeah it does help to use speilchick. Right click your next post and see if it's checked. Should underline misspells in red for more presemtable posts.

It is common for tourists destinations to withhold news that would be bad for local business. The Caymans does seem to release crime & accident news more than most. You do have to wonder tho, as much as Bonaire withholds news, and as much as the island fans jump on people who do report crime on this forum telling them it was their own fault - how many crimes go unreported hear? If it was a friendlier forum, we might here more.

Does anyone notice the only one posting negative information about Bonaire is this pilot fish guy I think he has maybe beeen there once

Really, right click your next post, see if it's checked.

Oh, on his night stand, in his locked hotel/condo room, is not considered safe from crime? huh? I guess you haven't read the reports on this board of safes being ripped out of the wall, with crow bars, in hotel rooms and rented condos? Oh, yeah, it's the victims fault, they didn't use common sense.

And I leave my cell phone on the table as an alarm clock.

Can you quote from something more recent than a post from a year ago and an article from two years ago... which have already been discussed on this and other threads by everyone?

My god, did you even read this thread from the beginning? If you did how could you miss the "solutions" suggested at the beginning of the thread and all of us who acknowledged crime, abhor it, discussed methods of stopping it and Liz implemented a drive to get messages from divers to implore the police to do more to stop crime on Bonaire...

Keep up that part about being out of date and far behind the discussions PiFi... There are hundreds of reports from the archives you haven't searched yet. I am certain you can find bits and pieces in those where you can stretch the discussion without reading the content of the thread too...

Typical ridiculous claims of "white washing and pixie dust".... WOLF, WOLF!

Like I said, if this forum was supportive of victims instead of telling them it was their fault, we might hear more about the real news.

Anyone has any theories on what is being used sedate victims in the cases where rooms were burglarized while they slept? Not a common problem but mentioned often enough in this thread like Chocoholic noticed to cause wonder, including how safe it is?

 

[pilot fish]

When there are 25 Bonaire Cheerleaders, do you guys have pom poms too?, there has to be 1 or 2 posters that will tell it like it really is.

What is their response? attack, ridicule and try to discredit. A hotel room/ rental condo break in crime on Bonaire less than one year ago is hardly old news.

 

[gypsyjim]

Victims are always welcome to add new info. Useful for all.

What we have here though, as usual, is a little new stuff, and ton's of irrational opinion masquerading as fact.

Backlash, is primarily against that band standing, by someone with no real knowledge or experience.

 

[pilot fish]

Thanks Don

Yeah it does help to use speilchick. Right click your next post and see if it's checked. Should underline misspells in red for more presemtable posts.

It is common for tourists destinations to withhold news that would be bad for local business. The Caymans does seem to release crime & accident news more than most. You do have to wonder tho, as much as Bonaire withholds news, and as much as the island fans jump on people who do report crime on this forum telling them it was their own fault - how many crimes go unreported hear? If it was a friendlier forum, we might here more.

Really, right click your next post, see if it's checked.

And I leave my cell phone on the table as an alarm clock.

Like I said, if this forum was supportive of victims instead of telling them it was their fault, we might hear more about the real news.

Anyone has any theories on what is being used sedate victims in the cases where rooms were burglarized while they slept? Not a common problem but mentioned often enough in this thread like Chocoholic noticed to cause wonder, including how safe it is?

 

[pilot fish]

Those of you that foolishly disregard room break ins, discribe them as petty, the victims fault, or ridiculously compare them to other parts of the world, are going to be very sorry, perhaps guilty, when the next crime escalation occurs on Bonaire, harm or murder to tourists being robbed.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

... until now they are ridiculously defending room invasions.

I have looked back and know the answer to this... Point to anyone's post who is "defending room invasions"... Just one