Back surgery and still diving?

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billt4sf

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I'm staring into the face of some back surgery at age 65 (though otherwise in good health and fitness) and I'm wondering if others have had this and have come back to dive.

The surgery, if I have it, is to relieve sciatica pain by repairing a ruptured disc and remove a sequestrated fragment that has broken off.

The doc is saying that, in any case, I should not do entry backrolls and I'm wondering what the alternative is besides giant stride which I already cannot do.

Hopefully injections will relieve the pain and surgery will not be necessary, but I am mighty curious to know if others have dived after such surgery. Of course each case is different.

Thanks,

Bill
 
We're all different, certainly after getting restructured at age 65.

After a life of extreme skiing, I always went to an Ortho who was a skier. The first few told me to just give it up, walk away while I still could walk. I wasn't shopping for an opinion, I was looking for the right Doctor who knew the specific stressors versus what I needed.

Same thing for diving. My ENT guy and GP are both divers. So when it came time to face the knife for 60 years of skiing indiscretion, I found a guy who was a skier and a diver. Win!

I have been diving in every imaginable condition, and in reference to spinal and ortho issues, I specifically refer to entry and exits, after all- the diving part is the best part of my otherwise pain-laden days. It's the getting in and out that is the challenge.

Depending upon where your spinal issue is, I would think that a giant stride could easily exacerbate any mid-lower spinal issue due to the hard flexion of the legs at water contact.

My entry has always raised eyebrows, but it is what I've done since early days of carrying lots of gear in/on my chest/abdomen.

This is crazy looking, but all impact of the water is cleaved by the tank, allowing my body to slip into the water in the hole made by the tank. What you're seeing here is a full 6' backflop...


Shore dive exits...

I swim in to chest depth, un-clip my Crocs from the bak of my gear, switch out from the flippers. Remember that Crocs are +1#.

Dive with young strapping lads. They have good shoulders to steady your hand on. You can float your gear in behind you until it's shallow, then if your buddy is really young and strapping, he can take over or toss it on his shoulder. Sometimes just dropping out my tank and leaving me with the rest will suffice. You learn to adjust, with the help of your friends.

Here's the big one- boat recoveries.

There are a very few live aboards that have ladders that I trust myself on (the defunct Nekton was basically an escalator), but even those- when I'm on the dive deck, I'm wanting to be benched as soon as I can. I speak with the DM/Boatsman in advance to make sure that happens. Many liveaboards have limited dive decks and require a climb up sometimes difficult steps. Consider your limitations and ask for gear-carrying assistance if you need it. Better that than an incident at sea.

With lesser ladders, that is- the majority of them, from your standard Pro Dive to a wooden Panga and dead-vertical 2x4 wooden ladder, I always hand my gear up to my well-tipped new best friend.

The simplest way to do this is to attach 6' of nylon strap (1") to the handle on the back plate or daisy loop of the BC. Swim up, blow it up, slip it off, hand the strap up, back the hell away.

When you're on any boat, maintain 3 Point Contact until you are seated. Most people will not do that, but as long as they don't fall on me, do what you will.

Make adjustments, it's still a blessing to be weightless for 60+ minutes at a crack.

(BTW- for any skiers who noticed my medical history reference, I now use a Monoski exclusively. It aint for pussies, but if you're skiing at 65, you are not that.)
 
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Why no backroll? It's not a particularly great strain on the back, less of a jolt than a giant stride.

For lower strain: side mount?
 
Why no backroll? It's not a particularly great strain on the back, less of a jolt than a giant stride.

For lower strain: side mount?

He said the tank pushes into the lower back although I have never felt a thing doing them.

He's not a diver, but he did say that. Of course I will talk to others, including DAN.

Thanks for the idea of sidemount.

The final option would be to put the gear on in the water, though this would greatly limit the kinds of dives I can do.

- Bill
 
We're all different, certainly after getting restructured at age 65.

After a life of extreme skiing, I always went to an Ortho who was a skier. The first few told me to just give it up, walk away while I still could walk. I wasn't shopping for an opinion, I was looking for the right Doctor who knew the specific stressors versus what I needed.

Same thing for diving. My ENT guy and GP are both divers. So when it came time to face the knife for 60 years of skiing indiscretion, I found a guy who was a skier and a diver. Win!

I have been diving in every imaginable condition, and in reference to spinal and ortho issues, I specifically refer to entry and exits, after all- the diving part is the best part of my otherwise pain-laden days. It's the getting in and out that is the challenge.

Depending upon where your spinal issue is, I would think that a giant stride could easily exacerbate any mid-lower spinal issue due to the hard flexion of the legs at water contact.

My entry has always raised eyebrows, but it is what I've done since early days of carrying lots of gear in/on my chest/abdomen.

This is crazy looking, but all impact of the water is cleaved by the tank, allowing my body to slip into the water in the hole made by the tank. What you're seeing here is a full 6' backflop...


Shore dive exits...

I swim in to chest depth, un-clip my Crocs from the bak of my gear, switch out from the flippers. Remember that Crocs are +1#.

Dive with young strapping lads. They have good shoulders to steady your hand on. You can float your gear in behind you until it's shallow, then if your buddy is really young and strapping, he can take over or toss it on his shoulder. Sometimes just dropping out my tank and leaving me with the rest will suffice. You learn to adjust, with the help of your friends.

Here's the big one- boat recoveries.

There are a very few live aboards that have ladders that I trust myself on (the defunct Nekton was basically an escalator), but even those- when I'm on the dive deck, I'm wanting to be benched as soon as I can. I speak with the DM/Boatsman in advance to make sure that happens. Many liveaboards have limited dive decks and require a climb up sometimes difficult steps. Consider your limitations and ask for gear-carrying assistance if you need it. Better that than an incident at sea.

With lesser ladders, that is- the majority of them, from your standard Pro Dive to a wooden Panga and dead-vertical 2x4 wooden ladder, I always hand my gear up to my well-tipped new best friend.

The simplest way to do this is to attach 6' of nylon strap (1") to the handle on the back plate or daisy loop of the BC. Swim up, blow it up, slip it off, hand the strap up, back the hell away.

When you're on any boat, maintain 3 Point Contact until you are seated. Most people will not do that, but as long as they don't fall on me, do what you will.

Make adjustments, it's still a blessing to be weightless for 60+ minutes at a crack.

(BTW- for any skiers who noticed my medical history reference, I now use a Monoski exclusively. It ain't for pussies, but if you're skiing at 65, you are not that.)

That is a backroll AFAICS which he said not to do anymore, surgery or no. But that is just one docs opinion.

I always take my gear off in the water and hand it up.

I always hold on when in a boat (younger people don't :-) )

Usually the ladders suck as you say, but I can deal with them. I sure wish they were longer!
 
Go sidemount. A friend of mine had back surgery as a result of his motorcycle accident. So he is done with backplate and wing and now switched to sidemount.
 
There are "concierge" dive ops that will help you put your gear on in the water and take it off at end of dive. You still need to climb down and up the ladder though. You may need to find one of those somewhere if you can negotiate a ladder without equipment on. . BTW, my back never feels better (after 2 herniated discs) then when I'm diving and maybe an hour or two after. Neutral buoyancy is a wonderful thing.
 
There are "concierge" dive ops that will help you put your gear on in the water and take it off at end of dive. You still need to climb down and up the ladder though. You may need to find one of those somewhere if you can negotiate a ladder without equipment on. . BTW, my back never feels better (after 2 herniated discs) then when I'm diving and maybe an hour or two after. Neutral buoyancy is a wonderful thing.

So did you have back surgery and now you're diving?

- Bill
 
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I had lower back surgery a couple if years ago. I was off diving for about 4 months and then I started out with extra light gear. After about 6 more months of training I was back with my twin 80s and now I have no trouble going even heavier.
Take it easy and keep training both with and without dive gear. It will take a while but if you work at it there shouldn't be a problem getting back.

Good Luck!
 
I had lower back surgery a couple if years ago. I was off diving for about 4 months and then I started out with extra light gear. After about 6 more months of training I was back with my twin 80s and now I have no trouble going even heavier.

Take it easy and keep training both with and without dive gear. It will take a while but if you work at it there shouldn't be a problem getting back.

Good Luck!

Thanks. How old are you?

- Bill
 

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