attaching octo via snap bolt

[Rusty Roo]

Hello everyone, hope you're having a good day.

After never really having a proper octopus holder (always had been looped in a d ring) and speaking to a dm, who said that because i have milfix, it's not good to have double back on itself. so i was looking for regulator holders and just saw snap bolts so i've attached snap bolts to both of my regs. i attached to primary because when on liveaboards, i have sat or seen my primary sat on, so thought it would be good that once out of the water, i can clip it out of the way. but if i clip my octo on, will my potential buddy be a bit "upset" because in an emergency they can't just yank it off me?
i'm yet to do the rescue diver course, but plan to this summer. i've heard that, during the rescue diver course they tell you to pass the octo rather than let the other person just grab it. if so, surely it's fine to have it clipped?

i'm not a tec diver and i don't have a long primary hose, just the standard hose length and set up really. not trying to look tec just seems practical is all.

your views?

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Attaching an octo using a bolt snap is a bad idea ... you want it deployable with a tug. We had a situation out here a few years ago where a woman ran out of air at depth, reached for her buddy's octo ... which was on a bolt snap ... and because her going for the octo resulted in a pretty good silt-out, couldn't see how to undo the bolt snap. She panicked and bolted for the surface at that point, and embolised by the time she got there ... needless to say, she died.

There are a lot of things that will seem like a good idea from the perspective of a relaxed or experienced diver that won't turn out to be so practical in a real-world emergency ... because people aren't calm, often they're not thinking clearly, and sometimes they can't see clearly either.

Keep it simple, straightforward, and as standardized as possible. The simplest octo holder out there happens to also be the least expensive and easiest to use ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[jcaplins]

Having a snap-bolt on your primary for when it's not in use is fine. On the Octo- No!

The octo needs to be deployed quickly and easily. An OOA diver may very well go for the reg that is in your mouth, then you are suddenly surprised to be without air and fighting off a panicked diver. Do you want to be fumbling with a snap-bolt then?

 

[oldschoolto]

Attaching an octo using a bolt snap is a bad idea ... you want it deployable with a tug. We had a situation out here a few years ago where a woman ran out of air at depth, reached for her buddy's octo ... which was on a bolt snap ... and because her going for the octo resulted in a pretty good silt-out, couldn't see how to undo the bolt snap. She panicked and bolted for the surface at that point, and embolised by the time she got there ... needless to say, she died.

There are a lot of things that will seem like a good idea from the perspective of a relaxed or experienced diver that won't turn out to be so practical in a real-world emergency ... because people aren't calm, often they're not thinking clearly, and sometimes they can't see clearly either.

Keep it simple, straightforward, and as standardized as possible. The simplest octo holder out there happens to also be the least expensive and easiest to use ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Liked ten times over..... well said Bob...

Jim

 

[DevonDiver]

+1 what Bob said... AAS needs to be deployed freely and immediately. Bolt-snaps can jam closed. You could fit a break-away (i.e. cable-tie/o-ring), but that still could cause some issue that delays or confuses donation.

 

[Bob DBF]

There are a lot of things that will seem like a good idea from the perspective of a relaxed or experienced diver that won't turn out to be so practical in a real-world emergency ... because people aren't calm, often they're not thinking clearly, and sometimes they can't see clearly either.

Keep it simple, straightforward, and as standardized as possible. The simplest octo holder out there happens to also be the least expensive and easiest to use ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

When I'm not using a bungied backup, these are the best, and cheapest, holder I've found.

I have boltsnaps on my regs but they are used on the surface to keep the regs off the deck and out from under the tank when not in use.



Bob
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“I am always ready to learn although I do not always like being taught.”
― Winston Churchill

 

[TMHeimer]

I use what's in all the pictures. Never had one break or wear out. Simple and better than those where the mouthpiece fits in/or around. Also haven't had an octo come out by mistake, except maybe in some really odd situation (got caught on something, etc.). Mine has a clip for attaching to a D ring, etc. instead of the circular loop.

 

[Rusty Roo]

Thanks for your responses. I do have a question which has arisen after reading your responses. If it is necessary for the person requiring the alternate to be able to grab at a moments notice is true, then why do so many people on here suggest that people opt for the long primary hose, and donate the primary and then switch to one hanging around their neck? if it was a "grabbing" incident and someone just went for the most readily available 2nd stage then surely they would grab the one in the persons mouth? as if the one round the neck is on a shorter hose (i have seen some very short) then it would make it very hard to share, surely?

also if you could post the name of holder you recommend that would be great.

 

[TMHeimer]

If they grab the one in your mouth you can then easily grab your own octo for yourself. This simple holder means you don't have to fool with a clip either. I don't know the name of it, but I think they're probably in most dive shops.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

How do those ones in the picture work?
I've never seen those since I either use a long hose/bungeed second or just a single second stage if I'm solo.
I also seldom go into the dive shop, only for air most of the time so I'm kind of out of the loop.

---------- Post added April 27th, 2014 at 02:42 PM ----------

Thanks for your responses. I do have a question which has arisen after reading your responses. If it is necessary for the person requiring the alternate to be able to grab at a moments notice is true, then why do so many people on here suggest that people opt for the long primary hose, and donate the primary and then switch to one hanging around their neck? if it was a "grabbing" incident and someone just went for the most readily available 2nd stage then surely they would grab the one in the persons mouth? as if the one round the neck is on a shorter hose (i have seen some very short) then it would make it very hard to share, surely?

also if you could post the name of holder you recommend that would be great.

The person out of air takes the long hose that the donor is using, and the donor switches to the short one on the bungee.
The long hose gives the OOA person plenty of room to do things they need to do instead of being pulled up face to face with the donor.