Anyone experienced an OOA situation?

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You really, really, really need to get that under control. If you aren't making it to the surface with 30-50 bar on every dive, you really need to change what you're doing.

yeah thanks for that. Like I put in my post ...... I'M WORKING ON THIS! I'm not going to be ashamed at how much air I use up, or stop diving because i run out of air too soon. I'm trying as best as I can to work on this problem and I don't think it's very constructive for someone to come along and say "yeah, you need to get better at that" when I've already acknowledged that I do!
 
Lamnid:
yeah thanks for that. Like I put in my post ...... I'M WORKING ON THIS! I'm not going to be ashamed at how much air I use up, or stop diving because i run out of air too soon. I'm trying as best as I can to work on this problem and I don't think it's very constructive for someone to come along and say "yeah, you need to get better at that" when I've already acknowledged that I do!

Lamnid, have you considered using a larger tank? Are you diving with a group and want to have the same bottom time? A larger tank would be a better way to achieve that goal without running out of air.
 
Lamnid:
yeah thanks for that. Like I put in my post ...... I'M WORKING ON THIS! I'm not going to be ashamed at how much air I use up, or stop diving because i run out of air too soon. I'm trying as best as I can to work on this problem and I don't think it's very constructive for someone to come along and say "yeah, you need to get better at that" when I've already acknowledged that I do!
It has nothing to do with using too much air. Use as much air as you need. The amount of air you consume is the amount of air you consume.

Air consumption doesn't matter.

You need to be thumbing the dive well before you run out of air. If your buddies still have half a tank when you're thumbing it at 60 bar, so be it. It's not a big deal. It's much much more important to have enough gas to make it safely back to the surface than it is for your buddies to have an extra 5 minutes of dive.
 
vkalia:
I ran OOA once cos a muppet of a DM on the boat turned my manifold closed between dives (I know, I should have checked... but I didnt expect anyone to touch my gear!!). And while squirreling around trying to get into a tight corner, I managed to roll my left post shut. So I was breathing only one tank and needless to say, ran out well before plan.

I had a similar incident where a DM turned my air off and cranked the valve half a turn so I didn't realize it until about 60 feet on descent. I was diving a single with an H-valve and the left post was open so it wasn't a serious problem, but it could have been in different circumstances, particularly with an inexperienced diver.
 
We run out OOA all the time, even below 100fsw!!!! (not! read on)

Really, I dive with a group of INST's+ Im talking the 3000+ dive types.

Before the dive I hear the "gotta practice the things you don't do, guys" Well, I know what that means!

Sometime somewhere somebody is gonna sneak up on you (god knows about the "blind spots") and either shut your air off, take off your mask off, slip off a fin, etc.

At first it would PISS me off but then it really trained me to be calm........when was the last time any you of took a breath of your BCD? Man, there is quite a few of them in there!!! If you are calm and cool you will NOT get a lung full of water, if you are paniced you will.

As far as a REAL OOA situation. In 15 years of diving I never encounterd such. Now a LOA (low on air) that is a different story.

Aside from EQUIPMENT FAILURE there is absolutely NO REASON for an OOA to EVER occur in my opinion.

On group dives where we all dive together and our SAC rates differ between Sea turtle and a flat tire, we have a signal where we point to our regulator and use our thumb and forefinger that means: I have 450 psi. who ever has the most waves their octo. (that means 1100psi+) We also use this in combo with a "thumbs up" signal at 700 psi to signal to start our asent and for doing safty stops.
 
Lamnid, have you considered using a larger tank? Are you diving with a group and want to have the same bottom time? A larger tank would be a better way to achieve that goal without running out of air.

Yeah, it's a good point. it's not a crisis, I mean I usually make it back with a little air left. I think i should focus on improving the situation instead of just taking more air though. It is a little annoying having to be the first one up!

You need to be thumbing the dive well before you run out of air. If your buddies still have half a tank when you're thumbing it at 60 bar, so be it. It's not a big deal. It's much much more important to have enough gas to make it safely back to the surface than it is for your buddies to have an extra 5 minutes of dive.

I always thumb the dive before I run OOA. I keep an eye on my air supply and tell them at 50 bar. My instructor sometimes gives me his reg then and there cos he errs on the side of caution. One time though, I was almost empty and told them so, and they (for some reason) kept swimming round and wouldn't let me ascend when i had 10 bar left. I never really knew why! They weren't holding me down or anything, but i was signalling that I was gonna go up and they were like "just a minute. wait." I was like "You guys! 10 bar!" Well it wasn't really an OOA emergency, but I do frequently need to back up.
 
Twice - once when I was the donor and once when I was OOA. I was the donor when a diver on a group trip I was leading ran out of air at about 80' and was separated from his buddy. He gave me a non-standard hand signal that I could only interpret as "I've reached 700 PSI and need to surface." I signaled him to buddy up and ascend, then located his buddy and swam after the buddy to get the buddy team back together. I looked over my shoulder during the swim and saw the guy headed for the surface, reg in his mouth, looking more or less under control. He was doing a decent emergency swimming ascent. I took off after him to chase him down, grabbed a fin, crawled up his body, offered my primary, which he took, and switched to my AIR2. By the time I got us stabilized, we were at six feet. I thought about descending to 15' to hang for a few minutes (I had plenty of air) and then decided that we were shallow enough to bring on all kinds of bad things and that I would rather have them happen at the surface. We surfaced, I got him to orally inflate, then towed him back to the boat. He was pretty much out of breath at this point. Luckily, we both came out of it OK. I learned a couple of things on that one and would be unlikely to try to chase somebody down again. I will also make sure to dump all air from my BC before sharing air, to avoid a runaway ascent.

I was OOA myself recently diving the William A. Young in the Straits of Mackinac. My reg froze up and went into a free flow about five minutes into the dive in 42 degree water at 101'. I grabbed my buddy, showed him the reg was free flowing, and headed for the line, still breathing off the free-flowing reg. We started our ascent and part-way up, when I reached about 600 PSI, I signalled low on air and asked to share. He donated the reg on his pony, we made a good ascent and a good safety stop. Having a good buddy sure helps.
 
Lamnid:
Yeah, it's a good point. it's not a crisis, I mean I usually make it back with a little air left. I think i should focus on improving the situation instead of just taking more air though. It is a little annoying having to be the first one up!

Lamnid there's nothing wrong with taking a lot of air, much more air than you need, because then you have reserve for your buddy should he or she have a crisis and need to share air with you. It sounds like you are diving in a group with instructors now. Your air consumption will improve with practice and better buoyancy. Relaxation will also help tremendously. Glad to hear that you are not really running out of air. :)
 
Lamnid:
Yeah, it's a good point. it's not a crisis, I mean I usually make it back with a little air left. I think i should focus on improving the situation instead of just taking more air though. It is a little annoying having to be the first one up!
It might very well be a serious crisis or accident if you're starting to ascend with 25 bar and your buddy has a regulator failure... you won't have enough to make a safe ascent off your gas.
 

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