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randytay

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Not a question, and not to start a flame but I feel very disturbed about my recent experiences:

I believe I have an open mind and that I believe there is no such thing as too much training or having too much knowledge about a subject, and in this case, diving. After being certified as an Open Water Diver, I continued my education and on this very forum, found out about "Hogarthian", "DIR", "GUE", "UTD". First impressions from fellow board members are that "these group of divers" have a "superior than thou" mentality. That did not stop me to continue my research into it. I cannot help but feel very impressed with their level of skills as seen on youtube.

After making many phone calls and weighing between what is financially feasible and what is convenient, I decided to meet with AG and Jeff of UTD. I was apprehensive about meeting them but I was introduced to a group of the friendliest divers. Contrary to what was being speculated, neither AG nor Jeff has a "superior" mentality. In fact they accepted my level of experience for what it is and provided me far more information than I can handle. I then decided to join UTD in their essentials to improve my diving.

I announced my decisions to take the UTD essentials to my course directors, and what I got was "do what you want, but you have to know its about being comfortable with your own gear and not follow them blindly. They have a very closed mindset..." type of conversation. Another discussion with another instructor from another recreation agency, a MSDT mind you, yields an advice to "stay as far away from them as possible because they are rigid and militant; they take the joy out of diving". And yet another from the same agency tells me "Ha, why would you even bother? If you want to improve your diving, I can teach you and we have many good instructors here...".

Surprising, the very people who are supposed to be open-minded totally disregard another "style" without even trying to understand what it is all about; and yet the supposedly closed-minded group welcomed me with open arms and patiently discussed what I need to do and why I need to do it without once bashing someone else.

I'm not sure why I am even writing this, but I figured its a great place to rant. Seriously people, we need to open our minds and see for yourself instead of just going with hearsays. That said, I am stoked about doing my very first dive, DIR style, in about 2 weeks.

*end of rant
 
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Surprising, the very people who are supposed to be open-minded totally disregard another "style" without even trying to understand what it is all about; and yet the supposedly closed-minded group welcomed me with open arms and patiently discussed what I need to do and why I need to do it without once bashing someone else.

Why so judgmental? Perhaps more exposure to a broader range of divers would be in order?

There are more than two "teams" out there.
 
Yeah, just don't show up with split fins, an octo-inflator, a computer or anything on a retractor and you'll be just fine!
 
I have felt your pain!

I am a PADI MSDT who has worked (and now does work) in a shop where my GUE/UTD connections are considered more or less "evil" (thankfully, less now than more). The other instructors who had made "comments" about my training and diving style are, fortunately, no longer associated with the shop.

Perhaps my biggest compliment comes from one of the other MSDTs (who was my instructor some years ago) told my latest class he considers it the greatest privilege to now sit in on my classes and let me teach him!

Divers are divers and those that don't know GUE/UTD divers are the ones who can have the worst attitudes. Enjoy your education for you will, in fact, get one.

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DevonD -- at my PADI IE the people who hosted it were in BP/Ws! My Examiner was not so hot about me having a bungied backup since it had a yellow faceplate!
 
Yeah, just don't show up with split fins, an octo-inflator, a computer or anything on a retractor and you'll be just fine!

Well, at least they explained why they don't use them and do what they do. On the other hand, I have yet to find "the other team" explain why we don't do the DIR configurations.

The point is, by choosing to be exposed to all types of configuration gives one a better understanding on why some things are being done instead of "its written therefore you should do it".
 
Yeah, and don't show up on a PADI IDC in a BP&W, with no snorkel, either...

Oh dear, I already sold my BCD... seriously, you cannot attend a PADI IDC with DP/W?
 
I have felt your pain!

I am a PADI MSDT who has worked (and now does work) in a shop where my GUE/UTD connections are considered more or less "evil" (thankfully, less now than more). The other instructors who had made "comments" about my training and diving style are, fortunately, no longer associated with the shop.

Perhaps my biggest compliment comes from one of the other MSDTs (who was my instructor some years ago) told my latest class he considers it the greatest privilege to now sit in on my classes and let me teach him!

Divers are divers and those that don't know GUE/UTD divers are the ones who can have the worst attitudes. Enjoy your education for you will, in fact, get one.

Thank you for the encouragement. I am already getting an education just talking to them. I am really looking forward for more when I finally dive with them in 2 weeks.

You know, I might end up coming to you for my IDC ;)
 
Surprising, the very people who are supposed to be open-minded totally disregard another "style" without even trying to understand what it is all about; and yet the supposedly closed-minded group welcomed me with open arms and patiently discussed what I need to do and why I need to do it without once bashing someone else.

In my experience, this has been the case more often than not. Enjoy the experience, then make up your own mind about which training is best for you!
 
There are a lot of misconceptions out there about DIR diving, even among people who have some idea of what it is . . . and even more among people who really don't. When I decided to move in that direction, I was baffled and hurt by the amount of anger and unpleasantness I ran into from the people in the dive shop who had previously greeted me with warm smiles.

It IS true that the system, being highly standardized, restricts some personal choice in equipment, gases, and procedures. Those of us who choose to go this way have decided that what we give up in options, we more than gain back in improved safety, comfort and seamlessness in forming new teams. One of the places I see this the most is every time I read an "instabuddy" story -- I wrote about my true "instabuddies" on a SoCal dive boat last weekend. One was GUE trained, and the other UTD, and we all fit together in a brand new team as though we had been diving together forever.

It is, however, true that this type of diving attracts people for different reasons, and there are pitfalls . . . I have seen folks lose the joy of diving, or get so focused on incessant drilling that they forget why they went in the water in the first place. It has NOT been my experience that the instructors or senior divers in the system are at fault for that. Much more, it is the temperament of the people who find this way of diving appealing.

If you can get the training, work on your skills, and find a balance between practice and whatever it was that drew you to diving in the first place, it is my opinion that there is simply no better way to dive. Better skills mean more relaxed and more competent diving, and better teamwork means reduced stress and more sharing and more fun.

You've chosen the road less traveled by . . . and that will make all the difference. Ignore the naysayers.
 

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