Al-Qaida Scuba Attack Force?

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The sad part is that our own government is now terrorizing us. Everytime they get a new video clip from Osama they air it for us to see. I say that should not air, do not give Osama the satisfaction of terrorizing us. Our government is actually helping him by showing us the "most recent" Osama clips. Osama has our government and media trained to do the majority of his work.

Jason
 
Jason B:
The sad part is that our own government is now terrorizing us. Everytime they get a new video clip from Osama they air it for us to see. I say that should not air, do not give Osama the satisfaction of terrorizing us. Our government is actually helping him by showing us the "most recent" Osama clips. Osama has our government and media trained to do the majority of his work.
That's an excellent point. A more effective response to a terroist act is to act like a duck looking serene on the surface and paddling like crazy underneath.

Instead of making major changes to our way of life to create the appearence of increased safety, we should have actually done something effective by quietly and swiftly found and executed the persons responsible in a covert manner. When we over reacted, limited our own freedom and liberty, changed our way of life, sent troops in harms way and spent ourselves into the financial toilet, we handed them the victory they wanted. And all they had to do was make one attack.

At this point they do not have to do anything more, as we are doing an excellent job of doing it for them. We are providing them the convenience of shooting pretty much the same citizens who are now serving in guard and reserve units on their home turf which allows the terroists to rise to the level of "combatants" and also claim a more honorable "oppressed freedom fighter" kind of status at home and in some foreign countries rather than forcing them to resort to terrorist acts which would deny them international support and sympathy.

Any further terrorist attack on US soil would actually harm their cause and would serve only to keep the US engaged and build support for a continuing occupation of Iraq or a widening of the conflict into Iran, North Korea etc. That is not something that is neccesarily in their interests as if we just go home, they get to call it a win over the Great Satan.

We have once again forgotten how to fight a guerilla war, which I always find ironic as unconventiuonal and guerilla warfare is largely how we won our independence.

My big fear is that my government in it's zeal to protect me from an extremely remote threat of terroism, (but not from much more direct threats like Vioxx, acid rain from China, second hand cigarette smoke, uncontrolled rises in medical and drug costs, large SUV's driven by teenagers, etc, etc, etc,) will decide that it is not a good idea to have anyone dive where I dive most often as the lake is contained by an earthen fill dam, the destruction of which would kill thousands.

The fact that scuba terrorists would need to plant thousands of pounds of exposives to demolish the dam and could do it more effectively from a boat or by just rolling it down the bank from the highway that crosses the dam probably would not be factored into the decison to ban diving to prevent a terrorist attack as restricting boating or rerouting traffic on the highway would inconvenience way too many people.
 
Firebrand:
No offense taken, but nowhere in my post did I even mention Middle Easterners. As I recall, there was one terrorist in Oklahoma who wasn't a Middle Easterner...
Wasnt aimed at you, it was a general comment to the members who had or might want to comment as things seemed to be starting to head that way in terms of language and targets for suspicion.
 
I'm glad that everyone agrees that this whole "scuba terrorist" thing is a bit absurd :) My concern is that some ignorant govt. officials will want to make some political hay by closing areas to scuba divers. Or ask local law enforcement to patrol such areas (as if they have nothing better to do). It could happen and has happened to some degree.

The whole profiling thing is another issue all together. My view is that if the "bad guys" know there is active profiling they will just change their profile. These ridiculous "security measures" we now have to endure at airports drive me nuts.

I just want to keep my scuba experience as free as possible. I don't need Johnny law frisking me before I go down for a dive :) They have enough things to do without having to patrol ferry landings, ports, dams, bridges, etc. for "suspicious divers".
 
BIGSAGE136:
Have you been reading Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Zbrezinski???
actually his name is Brzezinsky....
Mania
 
Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, the FBI sent an agent to the LDS I trained with to look thru their training records. One of the things they were looking for were people that started training and never finished it. This issue isn't new nor is it fantasy. I still haven't decided if my rights to privacy were violated by the LDS when they gave up these records without a fuss. Incidently, since 9/11, there are former dive sites that are now off limits.
 
of course, a terrorist is going to obey off-limit diving sites if they want to blow
something up. and it's not like they can get dive training in other parts
of the world, where they blend right in.

btw, how much safer do you feel knowing those security guards at the airport
are looking out for you? not exactly the 101st Airborne, are they?

safety is an acceptable level of risk. we're all potential targets. there's not much
we can do about it. there's not much the government can do about it.

just carry on. we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

i am satisfied that if i get blown up by a terrorist, they will reap what they
have sown.
 
Terrorists develop their plans of attack by watching our media and reading our print. Crashing an aircraft into government buildings as a terrorist attack was theorized long before they even started training. Clancy wrote a book on it after quiet circles ignored the threat to protect our freedoms. Osama wasn't even the first copycat. A US citizen, angry with Clinton, crashed a Cessna into the oval office. After that incident, rockets were deployed by the secret service, but the Pentagon request for something similar (phalanx I believe) was denied as "too aggressive". While we all sat back and thought it was an interesting evening clip, our government and terrorists were both taking notes. After the failed 2000 attempt and subsequent interrogation, the Government was convinced that a strike was eminent and we had a very short breather. Public opinion was the only reason they didn't do anything. We ignored failed attempts because we didn’t want to accept the problem existed.

Terrorists still watch our news, continue to take notes and change training. Not long ago in Afghanistan, we found training for US sniper attacks after Malvo's news covered shooting spree. Today, many of my personal friends in Iraq tell me the unsafe parts are those surrounding the hotels where our reporters stay. They tell me, leave town and it isn't the Iraq you see on TV. The fact is, terrorists NEED media to survive. The reason that they are not attacking here now, is that they are getting the coverage they want there. We are each playing the same game thinking we can win. We give them news cameras and soldiers to shoot at in Iraq, thinking that we shoot straighter (and we do). They come out to shoot in front of the camera to get a free recruiting video. The gamble is whether they can recruit faster than we kill.

If you want to stop terrorism, blanket coverage of their gruesome deaths, generation of public humiliation and scorn for their cause are the only way to slow recruitment. Unfortunately, we are unwilling to do this with our media. So we keep casting bullets hoping they will run out of recruits.
 

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