Jason B:
Our Gov't is terrorizing us? Our gov't is in control of the media? When did this happen?
If there is any control in the media it is not our gov't controlling it, but to discuss this would be way too political.
Al-Qaida Scuba Attack Force?
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Our Gov't is terrorizing us? Our gov't is in control of the media? When did this happen?
If there is any control in the media it is not our gov't controlling it, but to discuss this would be way too political.
dlndavid:
I think he was referring to government release of terrorist tapes, homeland security public statements and changing threat levels. They only do this because of the media attacks on the lack of government public statements on our safety before 911. They actualy did before 911, but it was back page news and little to no detail.
Or he could have been referring to the new powers they use when they can link survielance and arrest to terrorism.
When was the last OBL tape aired? I think the lack of anything from OBL, sends a loud and clear message to those listening.
But maybe OBL himself has taken on scuba as a new hobby and is spending way too much time underwater.
But maybe OBL himself has taken on scuba as a new hobby and is spending way too much time underwater.
To further side-track this issue, arent the OBL etc tapes aired on news networks favourable to that cause in the Middle East? Our news networks pick up those broadcasts and put them over here - people would record it and just put it on the internet (they still do anyway) if the media didnt do it first, its big news, it sells air time and newspaper columns.
Let us just remember that there are plenty of terrorists out there who arent from the Middle East, have no affliation with certain religious groups and the radical wings of those groups - they are in every country, of every creed, colour, race and religion (or lack thereof) and they arent all Al-Qaida, there were plenty of terrorist groups before this one surfaced, but that is the one that gets the most news time as they are perceived as the biggest threat to this nation, recent events in history would lead to that belief. The media is definately scare-mongering as well, its a question of how we and the government take their reports as to whether it will affect our lives, including diving WRT this story.
Let us just remember that there are plenty of terrorists out there who arent from the Middle East, have no affliation with certain religious groups and the radical wings of those groups - they are in every country, of every creed, colour, race and religion (or lack thereof) and they arent all Al-Qaida, there were plenty of terrorist groups before this one surfaced, but that is the one that gets the most news time as they are perceived as the biggest threat to this nation, recent events in history would lead to that belief. The media is definately scare-mongering as well, its a question of how we and the government take their reports as to whether it will affect our lives, including diving WRT this story.
JustAddWater
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Are diving certifications public record? If so, could this provide an assistance to profiling by name, alias, and photo?
humanFish
Contributor
Jason B:
Noam Chomsky...is that you?
http://www.chomsky.info/onchomsky/198901--.htm
Are you suggesting that there is some government mandate to air such videos to the masses? Even if there were such a policy, do you think news agency's would pass up such an opportunity? I guess I like to think that at least this type of media behavior is driven by something I understand better than the rantings of activist literature. It's called ratings and cold, hard cash, my friend...
H2Andy
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actually, in airing the tapes, both the media and the government are acting in their
best interest...and both hope to get something out of the opportunity, which is what
capitalism is all about, ain't it?
*everybody* is trying to sell you something, which is why true friends
are so important to me. true friends either don't sell you something, or
are upfront about it and don't try to hide it.
best interest...and both hope to get something out of the opportunity, which is what
capitalism is all about, ain't it?
*everybody* is trying to sell you something, which is why true friends
are so important to me. true friends either don't sell you something, or
are upfront about it and don't try to hide it.
humanFish:
It's more than cold hard cash. Lack of national loyalty plays a part. I know I'll get flamed for that one, but those are the only two reasons I can see to cause a change over past performance. The atomic bomb, internments and breaking the sound barrier were all known at the time but the media stayed quiet until after the fact. I know they argue they are the moral compass of our government and some stories need to be broken (i.e. internments), but it's timing that is the issue. In the past they waited to critisize after the event. It's the same in court battles. The media now tries the defendant and critisizes the court before trial is even complete. It's pure profitering at the nation's expense. We need good politicians and good reporters. Right now we are hurting for both.
H2Andy
Contributor
Dearman:
we elect the polititians and we tune to CNN and Fox and give them their
ratings...
so...
:54:
it's not a problem with the media, or a problem with the politicians.
if there's a problem, it's a problem with us.
there are, unfortuanately, no easy answers here
H2Andy:of course, a terrorist is going to obey off-limit diving sites if they want to blow something up. and it's not like they can get dive training in other parts
of the world, where they blend right in.QUOTE]
To build on what H2Andy is saying:
Locally we had someone "deface" an underwater dam we dive very regularly. Since there's usually divers out there that know the area, local divers, and the significance of what happened, it was pretty easy to find the person had done this. My worry is that the government doesn't realize we're on their team. 99% of divers would report something suspicious in a second and outlawing us from diving locations would harm the government more since they're not out there watching. (They can't watch everything.. insert big brother believers here!)
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