AL Legend vs. Legend LX (vs. XTX50) - adjustable inhalation feature...

[mike_s]

I'm 99% sure it's the same thing as their regulators use the same parts on a lot of them.

 

[halocline]

Is there any difference between their ACD (Auto-Closure Device) on Legend and Titan and Environmental sealing system (on Apex)? Thanks.

The ACD is a gimmick to keep water out of the 1st stage if you happen to dunk it without the dust cap on. I wouldn't trust it to be watertight, in fact I would rather have a reg without it, but a lot of people seems to like it.

Environmental sealing is something completely different, it's a way of keeping water out of the ambient chamber during use. It's good for extreme cold water, and though it adds a little complexity, there's no problem with a sealed reg in warm water. If anything, it helps keep salt forming corrosion out of the ambient chamber.

Is that the question you were asking?

 

[piikki]

Apex XTX50 comes with either DS4 (DIN) first stage or DST (one with swiveling turret and 2 HP ports) - the DS4 costs about $25 less. One question here - is there a DIN/Yoke adapter that you use (and was it included with the reg if so)? Is it better to go with DIN first stage in general? I've read some places in Europe use DIN exclusively...

Also - what octopus do you use with either setup? Thanks!

Ok, I was not aware that all shops offered the DS4 as an option. My local did not use to (without huge markup). You can find a lot of info why the DS4 is preferred if you search by it. Generally it burns down to tech divers considering the swivel to be an additional failure point.

I use DIN and personally highly recommend DIN, as it is way more secure than yoke. However, you can get both AL and Apeks with yoke and as it is the default in US there is nothing wrong going with it. However if you have any tech diving aspirations you'd do yourself a favour going DIN from the start.

I like how it's easy with my DIN regs - if I want to use them with rental alum tanks I just use an adapter that screws on. All my own tanks are either DIN or convertible DIN/yoke that accomodate both types of first stages (becoming more and more common with steel tanks). Adapters do not come with regulators. With DIN regs you just buy a cheapy metal contraption you hook on your 1st stage. Any shop should have them. Conversion from yoke reg to DIN valve requires a bit more work for what I understand.

I use same regulators for my primary regulator and back-up (octopus), XTX50 and the Legend. I have one Legend without the LX, I think it's the octo that came with "free octo package", and it's been functioning fine. Great thing with the XTX:s are that the "octo" is the same thing, not lesser reg like with many models.

 

[dori fish]

Ok, I was not aware that all shops offered the DS4 as an option. My local did not use to (without huge markup). You can find a lot of info why the DS4 is preferred if you search by it. Generally it burns down to tech divers considering the swivel to be an additional failure point.

I use DIN and personally highly recommend DIN, as it is way more secure than yoke. However, you can get both AL and Apeks with yoke and as it is the default in US there is nothing wrong going with it. However if you have any tech diving aspirations you'd do yourself a favour going DIN from the start.

I like how it's easy with my DIN regs - if I want to use them with rental alum tanks I just use an adapter that screws on. All my own tanks are either DIN or convertible DIN/yoke that accomodate both types of first stages (becoming more and more common with steel tanks). Adapters do not come with regulators. With DIN regs you just buy a cheapy metal contraption you hook on your 1st stage. Any shop should have them. Conversion from yoke reg to DIN valve requires a bit more work for what I understand.

I use same regulators for my primary regulator and back-up (octopus), XTX50 and the Legend. I have one Legend without the LX, I think it's the octo that came with "free octo package", and it's been functioning fine. Great thing with the XTX:s are that the "octo" is the same thing, not lesser reg like with many models.

din is a safer choice, i dive with din after changing it over from yoke. you can always buy an adapter to convert back to yoke and then immediately take it off for din, plus din is more technical

 

[Kern]

Some divers using DPV (SeeDoo, etc) prefer not to have the ajustable knob because of the current and risk of free flow i heard.

In fact the ability to detune the reg if it starts to free flow a little when deep, pushing into a current or using a DPV is very handy.

I have my regs tuned to just short of free flowing with the cracking pressure knob all the way out. Then I detune on the fly as needed. Having said that, I need to detune the reg very rarely.

 

[andrethediver]

Yes, thanks.

The ACD is a gimmick to keep water out of the 1st stage if you happen to dunk it without the dust cap on. I wouldn't trust it to be watertight, in fact I would rather have a reg without it, but a lot of people seems to like it.

Environmental sealing is something completely different, it's a way of keeping water out of the ambient chamber during use. It's good for extreme cold water, and though it adds a little complexity, there's no problem with a sealed reg in warm water. If anything, it helps keep salt forming corrosion out of the ambient chamber.

Is that the question you were asking?

 

[andrethediver]

I use same regulators for my primary regulator and back-up (octopus), XTX50 and the Legend. I have one Legend without the LX, I think it's the octo that came with "free octo package", and it's been functioning fine. Great thing with the XTX:s are that the "octo" is the same thing, not lesser reg like with many models.

Was free octo a special offered at some point by Aqualung? Even the cheapest AL octos go for $200. I decided to get the reg through my LDS in order to have the warranty service. Should I get the octo on LP or should they also be serviced annually? I am not sure what you mean about 'octo being the same thing with Apeks - can you please elaborate? You don't mean that octo is included with the first and second stages, do you? Thanks!

 

[piikki]

Was free octo a special offered at some point by Aqualung? Even the cheapest AL octos go for $200. I decided to get the reg through my LDS in order to have the warranty service. Should I get the octo on LP or should they also be serviced annually? I am not sure what you mean about 'octo being the same thing with Apeks - can you please elaborate? You don't mean that octo is included with the first and second stages, do you? Thanks!

Yes AL used to have the free octo deal around. Haven't seen it for awhile. Too bad. And no, usually octo does not come with the package - unless there are special promotions. Unfortunately You should really service the octo at the same go, second stages need service as well as first stages. You take the whole package in at the same visit.

What I meant with "the same thing" was that Apeks only changes the faceplate cover color for the XTX50 octo vs the regular XTX50 regulator. So effectively the black and yellow regs are the same thing. With AL they cheaped out a bit for the Legend octo, it has crappier plastics than the primary Legend regulator. Also you cannot get Legend octo with a knob (as in there is no LX octo).

 

[SashimiBoy]

Morning from sunny Florida. My wife just got her Auqalung Legend Supreme from a reputable online vendor and when she took it out of the box she noticed that the first stage had a rattle like there was a loose part in there. Is this common on those first stages? I've owned several regs and never had one make any noise but i've been out of the dive equipment loop for a few years.

 

[mike_s]

not common at all. (in my opinion)

my Aqualung legend first stage doesn't rattle at all. Since it's brand new, contact the dealer you bought it from and arrange to return it for a functional unit.

I definately wouldn't dive with a "loose rattling part" in my first state.


where did you buy it from? sounds like they didnt' perform any checkout on it before they shipped it.