Airtrim or Flight Control System

[Calvinator]

Hi Calvinator,
To put it simply all these airtrims and flight controls are a solution to a problem that never existed in the first place. They actually create more problems than they solve.

Dear M-D,
May I just know what's the problem that they are trying to solve? And what's their solution to which problem?

I just can't see what's the problem that everyone is talking about here.

To me, it's just another method of deflating and inflating. I need some feedback.

Calvin.

 

[murph-diver]

Dear M-D,
May I just know what's the problem that they are trying to solve? And what's their solution to which problem?

I just can't see what's the problem that everyone is talking about here.

To me, it's just another method of deflating and inflating. I need some feedback.

Calvin.

Calvin,
There is NO problem. That is the point i was making when i said "all these airtrims and flight controls are a solution to a problem that NEVER EXISTED". In other words manufacturers need to keep selling new styles of BCD's to keep making money and one way of doing this is to invent a problem that they can then solve with a new "design".
Trust me on this, I do not have an axe to grind nor do i have an agenda of any kind. I tought the airtrim was a good idea so i bought one, then as i gained more experience i learned that these systems have features that you THINK you will need and not the features which you ACTUALLY need. I have dived with three other guys who had airtrim systems or HUBS and they all sold them after a seasons diving and went back to straight forward BCD's. The resistance to airtrims and flight controls is not an "anti-new technology" thing, its more an "anti-technology that you don't need and might kill you" thing.

 

[Calvinator]

Calvin,
There is NO problem. That is the point i was making when i said "all these airtrims and flight controls are a solution to a problem that NEVER EXISTED". In other words manufacturers need to keep selling new styles of BCD's to keep making money and one way of doing this is to invent a problem that they can then solve with a new "design".
Trust me on this, I do not have an axe to grind nor do i have an agenda of any kind. I tought the airtrim was a good idea so i bought one, then as i gained more experience i learned that these systems have features that you THINK you will need and not the features which you ACTUALLY need. I have dived with three other guys who had airtrim systems or HUBS and they all sold them after a seasons diving and went back to straight forward BCD's. The resistance to airtrims and flight controls is not an "anti-new technology" thing, its more an "anti-technology that you don't need and might kill you" thing.

ok.....

 

[hex92]

My girlfriend just received her Dacor Extremelle (w/ airtrim) yesterday. It looks like a pretty nice rig. It fits her well, and I think having the bouyancy controls always in the same place is going to help her confidence level. It doesn't look like I am going to get her diving this weekend, but I should be able to get her wet (DIVING people!) sometime later this month.

Calvinator: I think you have bumped into one of those subjects (see pony bottles) that a vocal minority on this board wants to beat the DIR drum to. :cyborg: Its unfortunate that they just don't read the title "Airtrim or Flight Control System" and realize that they don't have anything pertinent to say on the subject and move on. It probably ends up discouraging some people to post since they don't want to be flamed. :furious:

 

[yknot]

I think you have bumped into one of those subjects (see pony bottles) that a vocal minority on this board wants to beat the DIR drum to. Its unfortunate that they just don't read the title "Airtrim or Flight Control System" and realize that they don't have anything pertinent to say on the subject and move on. It probably ends up discouraging some people to post since they don't want to be flamed.

If you don't want negative opinions, why ask the question? Are you holding an election to decide what kind of gear you buy? You must be, if you're including a poll. What happens when your lead candidate gets shot down in flames? As for the DIR slam, I know just enough about DIR to have some respect for the beliefs practiced by some, but not enough to claim to be a DIR diver or expert in any way about that style of diving.

 

[murph-diver]

Thank you hex92,
you have made exactly the point that i was trying to explain to calvinator. "I think having the bouyancy controls always in the same place is going to help her confidence level". If your girlfriend lacks confidence while diving, she needs more training and experience, not another gadget. If we have to rely on gadgets to support our confidence, what happens when the gadget fails underwater, does our confidence go with it?

 

[MechDiver]

It probably ends up discouraging some people to post since they don't want to be flamed. :furious:

An answer contrary to what you want to hear is not a flame. Its called an informed answer.

MD

 

[Paul Evans]

Ok, Has anyone had a Airtrim BC or Flightcontrol BC fail on them? :06:

Did the faliure result in a deadly situation? :06:

What do you do if one of these BC's fails? :06:

 

[SubCori]

My FCS have a new & nice system if my BC'S have a failure:

It explode after 15 sec....just a time for your last pray.... :10:

I have tried never....I hope which my auto-destroy system will be function in deadly situation



Bye to all!

 

[crosing]

I have about 60 dives on my Dacor Nautica Air Trim. I have never had a problem with it. However, I just took PADI Rescue course and feel that in an emergency if someone who is not familiar with it were to try and rescue me it might cause problems. I am in the process of moving to a BP&W kit. I am somewhat apprehensive because it will require me to completely change the way I dive. I am very comfortable with the Dacor right now so it will be stretching my underwater skills. Currently, I am a DIR lurker, I have the fundamentals book and am contemplating the dir-f course.

The airtrim makes it so easy to maintain bouyancy. I feel like I'll be starting from scratch when I go to the BP&W's. What I really need is some specialized training on buoyancy and trim when i get the new setup. I dive a mares semi dry right now and am planning on going to a dry suit also. I think I'm going to change to the BP&W first and get used to that before going to the drysuit.