Agency Culture (Truth in Humor?)

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That's exactly how I did my first dives, all shallow inlet dives. No instruction at all, completely self-taught from "The New Science" and a few instruction booklets obtained from 42nd Street Scuba. This was the early/mid 60s. I was happy as a clam doing my night dives with a big Allen Light catching lobsters. Military service took me away from things for a couple of years but I eventually resumed my mostly solo diving until the shops began demanding C cards to fill your tank. This was in 1971. I was certified through NASDS after a course of instruction that lasted several weeks for a simple basic scuba card. I then began diving offshore, the graveyard of the Atlantic, and eventually moved to Jamaica for a year before returning to NJ and starting graduate school. I learned a lot from the NASDS training. It was an excellent course that expanded my abilities and knowledge considerably.
“No instruction at all”? What do you call the information in the book?
The only difference I see between the book and the modern way of everything being learned online is the book has about five times as much information in it. Other than that it’s all reading. I have a friend who just completed SSI open water and had no clue what a 1st or 2nd stage were, and didn’t know we were supposed to stop at 15 feet...
I wasn’t there for his class except for his last check out dive in which we buddied up. The more I’m finding out how minimal his education was the more worried I get.
 
or is it multi-denominational? - hold cards from: YMCA, PDIC, NAUI, SDI, TDI, and, I can't believe it, PADI too

What about the self radicalized “lone wolves” out there amongst us?

There is a solution for this: the Everything Specialty certification card.

First, you acquire a card printer. I got mine from the NACD.

1. Photoshop your picture on the card.
2. Fill in your full name on the card.
3. Pick the logo from your diving organization or religion.
4. Print the card and show whenever asked for it.

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Note: in case you want to go diving in Ginnie, add the words CAVE and CCR somewhere on the card as well. Although Everything already includes these, some people have a hard time reading.
 
First, you acquire a card printer. I got mine from the NACD.
Best line ever in any ScubaBoard thread.
 
trace gotta say , I laughed my ass off !!!! your dead on ....im an old timer too so was kinda was there for most of the agencies you mentioned (even some insider info you quoted ).....had pepsi coming out my nose as I read your stuff ...........lovvvvvve the old stuff
 
Note: in case you want to go diving in Ginnie, add the words CAVE and CCR somewhere on the card as well. Although Everything already includes these, some people have a hard time reading.

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No word of lie. I presented my PSAI training director C-card at Ginnie with a part that reads, "For all PSAI Sport, Technical, Technician, and Cave Diving Programs ..," and the staff wanted me to point out where it was a cave instructor or cave diver C-card. Rose had a good laugh about the staff's reading comprehension when she was summoned.
 
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MDEA Culture

The bigfoot of diving. They supposedly exist, but no one has ever seen one.

Teacher: "MDEA? MDEA? MDEA? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?"
 
Trace,
Great thread! I find it humorous and informative. Keep up the great work !
I have been following the thread since its inception and am amazed at he lack of historical knowledge of diving and dive instruction, so I am posting the following;

I some how suspect that you are remiss in not listing the late Mr. Conrad "Connie" Limbaugh and Dr. Andy Rechnitzer who jointly developed the Scripps diving program which was attended in 1954 (64 years ago) by the late Al Tillman, LA Co Aquatics specialist and Bev Morgan and the late Ramsey Parks, representing the LA Co Life Guards.

This was the very beginning of civilian skin and SCUBA diving programs in the US and the world and was called the "LA County UW Instructors program" which developed into the Underwater Instructors Certification Course aka the famed UICC----. UICC 67 has begun-only a few were accepted in to the program even less will graduate as LA Co UW Instructors . The UICC is not walk in the park through water sprinklers - to graduate You are a diver - Not one who dives as you are an Underwater Instructor not one who just instructs...
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LA Co UW instructor Neil Hess wrote a monthly article in Skin diver Magazine titled "American Diving Patrol" ( after the American Ski Patrol) he campaigned for a universal national dive training program , concurrently while working on a Doctorate at an eastern ivey league university - where he passed away at the prime of his life .

Al Tillman picked up the pieces and developed the frame work for a national program at the Underwater Society of America (aka USA) convention at Houston in August 1960- the program was a success and NAUI was created. (FYI my old dive buddy Harry Vetter, NAUI #4, who is 88 is the last living instructor for that first NAUI course.)

NAUI was a true association owned and operated by the members. It was the first in may areas: the first TRUE association, the first informative news letter, and who could forget "The famed yearly conference "International Conferences on Underwater Education" aka ICUE aka IQ ???

So NAUI was also created by LA County UW Instructors
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John Gaffney was a world class spear fisherman -- In 1955 the team of Gaffney and Howard Patton won the International Spearfishing meet between US and Mexico. He was also an LA Certified Diver.
While employed at Skin Diver magazine founded by Chuck Blakeslee, LA County UW instructor, John developed the ideas of "National Association of Skin and SCUBA Diving stores." and went about organizing the local California stores which soon expanded include dive shops out side of California and prompted a name change.

NASDS under John, the great innovator of diving, gave the diving world many firsts, the famed VIP, the micro chipped certification card, The OW Instructor program- Mike Burke was # one... and of course two great glossy informative fun filled magazines "Dive" and "Aquarius." Now much sought after collectors items

John and I were life long friends.....during he later part of his life when he was terminal he would call me at the office jut to chat -- He never asked to speak to me-- instead he just groaned and moaned until my OM would put me on the line for a short chat or a question - That was John - Dang I miss John!

NASDS is no more -- absorbed by SSI who gave us the SSI Pro 5000 Platinum Pro Award
So both NASDS and SSI roots can be traced back to LA Underwater Instructors Program
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In 1969 in the middle of the winter there was a NAUI instructors course scheduled at Dowers Grove. Illinois. I was to be one of the instructors /evaluators and had my bags packed and ready to leave.

A huge storm hit Chicago several days prior to departure and the organizers and NAUI officials determined that the course should be cancelled and it was..however, .there was a change in temperature and weather so a number of prospective candidates showed up expecting a week long NAUI instructors course ,

There were no NAUI officials, other than NAUI Instructor Ralph Erickson in attendance so Ralph, John Cronin, (the local US Diver sales representative) Bob Chow and others conducted a dive instructor course which they called Professional Association of Underwater Instructors (in 1969 the term SCUBA was not in common usage)

The meager class files remained dormant in a card board carton until John was promoted to General Manager of US Divers and moved to Santa Ana California.

John had the frame work for a diving instructor course but few members and no office....These problems were solved by pulling the late Nic Icorn, LA County UW instructor, off the drafting tables and promoting him to the first Director of PADI and installing him in a tiny office on 17 Street in Costa Mesa California.

Membership was created by filling out a form mailing it in for a rubber stamp and presto! PADI hero- The word got out so John Gaffney of NASDS certified his dog and some one in Texas certified his duck as a PADI Instructor - I doubt if either one ever taught a class, but the war had begun NASDS vs PADI

The member ship and instructional forms of that era had been created LA County which were in public domain so the were copied and sold to PADI instructors.at a handsome profit Nic and his dear wife Marilyn worked diligently 24X7 to establish PADI as a accepted member of the UW instructor community.

Nic was rewarded for his expertise and hard work by being dismissed from US Divers/PADI and slapped with a 11 million dollar law suit for all documents including Nic's never printed book generated while at US Divers/PADI.

Paul Hill, LA County UW instructor, was next to be hired by John and US Divers/PADI as the second Director of PADI. Paul held that position for several years and was responsible for PADI acquiring a toe hold in the UW instrurors world

So PADI was created by LA County UW instructors.

John retired from US divers which allowed him to devote his time to enlarging the instructor base and creating step marketing diving programs which were instigated about 1984 ---the rest is history

I suspect this is news to @boulderjohn, the defender of PADI and especially that supper hero I met at the "Blue hole" who stated with a straight face "there was no diving or dive instruction before PADI !

But now we know!

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Samuel Miller,III
 
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All I know is NAUI but this squares very well with my experience. I just want to be the best diver I can be - not worship their gods and buy their Kool-aid!

Also, I think someone (Trace) should add the Scubaboard culture.
 
Sam great history lesson .... I still remember that blow up of the sheep dog , and the rule at padi NO DARK GLASSES OR HATS because of it , these threads are SO VERY important to keep alive , the history of us.... I still impart a lot of this history to my newly minted instructor I train ...and I maintain a small museum of old diving gear and tell them all about it
 
All I know is NAUI but this squares very well with my experience. I just want to be the best diver I can be - not worship their gods and buy their Kool-aid!

Also, I think someone (Trace) should add the Scubaboard culture
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You chose well to begin our journey into the UW world-- very few ever complain about NAUI instruction or NAUI instructions ..
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