Tropicalwolf
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Another blackeye to the resort industry. Both parties to blame, no doubt, but you would think they could work together to solve the problem. No, thats too easy.
Age off by a week -- refund for the class?
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It was a private course. The birthdate was listed on more than one place on the paperwork. They never checked it at all. It was Padi that caught it. When someone asks "How old is she?" about YOUR child, Do you say 9 years 11 months and 20 days or do you say 10? Be honest, everyone in that situation says 10. It's literally a few days. Unfortunately an accelerated redo is not possible. We are leaving for NY tomorrow. I will be asking for an exception from padi, which they indicated might be possible as it is such a small amount of time. I have her dive log stamped with the 10 dives she's done since then. As soon as I found out about the problem, I notified the dive shop on this island and cancelled her dives for the rest of the week. As far as the discover scuba, she has done it at age 8 and 9 in Curacao, Key West and Bahamas. Her age was never an issue.
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Nice, Tropicalwolf. Thanks for your input.
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Nice, Tropicalwolf. Thanks for your input.
Just because it is called a DSD, it could still have been a Bubblemaker dive. The question is how deep did they take her and was it in pool like conditions? While there is an age requirement, there is also a depth requirement. Bubblemaker may only be in confined water and cannot exceed 6 feet, while DSD allows for 20 feet in CW and 40 feet in open water.
A 8-9 year old doing a 6 foot dive in pool like conditions is acceptable. A 8-9 year old going deeper is not a good thing.
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When asked about my kids I always stated their actual age. Maybe it's the way I was raised but you weren't a year older until the day you actually were.
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Doubler
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Somebody please explain what "an accelerated redo" consists of? What because she is 9 years, 11 months, 23 days, 37 minutes PADI scrubbed her brain of memory. And a private course no less. The instruction was given and passed, this is nothing but a freaking paperwork drill that is easily resolved. It does sound like the parents said to themselves that she is 9 years, 11 months, 23 days, 37 minutes old so we call that 10. My wife does the same thing but she is not PADI.
Dive the World
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This is just paper work limitation - a week shouldn't make a difference. The DI made a mistake and should have been more accommodating with the paper work.
You did the best this by getting PADI involved - don't let it ruin you entire vacation = try snorkeling - if you kid loves water that would be a good pass time too until matters get resolved.
Hope it works out
You did the best this by getting PADI involved - don't let it ruin you entire vacation = try snorkeling - if you kid loves water that would be a good pass time too until matters get resolved.
Hope it works out
Being close to 60, I am more than willing to say I am 59 until I am the day I am 60.
When I was almost 10 I would have answered I was 10 when asked.
Rules are rules. The question in my mind is where does PADI draw the line? If 1 week from being old enough is OK, then why not 2 weeks or 3 weeks? I think both parties share responsibility.
When I was almost 10 I would have answered I was 10 when asked.
Rules are rules. The question in my mind is where does PADI draw the line? If 1 week from being old enough is OK, then why not 2 weeks or 3 weeks? I think both parties share responsibility.
I would be surprised if the PADI registration manager does not decide to make an exception in this case. I will also be surprised if the instructor and the shop are not brought up for disciplinary action. Nothing bad happened during the course of the training, but if it had, there would be absolutely no legal defense possible because of the breach of standards. It's a serious issue in terms of liability. There are cases in which candidates who have completed their divemaster or instructor courses cannot be certified because they lack the requisite number of dives, and the paperwork is simply retained until those requirements are met. I would think that in this particular case, something similar could take place.
In the UK you have to be 17 yrs old to drive a car. Not 16 yrs 11 months 26 days.
Jnr OW is 10 yrs old.
I would blame both the shop and the parents for this.
Hopefully PADI will resolve this and issue a certification, especially as the kid involved is now of age.
Still doesn't excuse the fact that the training should not have been started when it was
Jnr OW is 10 yrs old.
I would blame both the shop and the parents for this.
Hopefully PADI will resolve this and issue a certification, especially as the kid involved is now of age.
Still doesn't excuse the fact that the training should not have been started when it was
It sounds to me like the DC/Instr asked "How old is your daughter?" and the OP replied "She's 10".
Which is false.
When asked to submit your age on other official documents do you round up or down or put down your correct age? At the very least, there should have been some communication to the effect that the student in question was 9 but would be 10 next week. If that was the case, and the Instr agreed to the training, but then refused to certify, then that is very bad. But the OP continues to say that the girl was 10 ... (in a little bit), which is why I doubt this happened.
I honestly think that passing this off to the DC/Instr because they didn't calculate the maths when they submitted the PIC is a bit rich. If PADI were to come down hard on the DC/Instr for a breach in standards, I'd be fairly annoyed at least because the parents did not tell the truth when stating the age of the child. Ultimately the DC/Instr was responsible for verifying the age via the paperwork- that is their failure alone. However I'd still be presenting a defense to PADI if I was the instructor in question. I wouldn't expect much to happen of it, but I would be submitting this as a defense all the same.
You stated in you OP that you set up the vacation to certify your daughter. Again I find it very hard to believe that you didn't know the minimum age requirements seeing as she has already been through Bubblemakers and the Seal Team.
Which is false.
When asked to submit your age on other official documents do you round up or down or put down your correct age? At the very least, there should have been some communication to the effect that the student in question was 9 but would be 10 next week. If that was the case, and the Instr agreed to the training, but then refused to certify, then that is very bad. But the OP continues to say that the girl was 10 ... (in a little bit), which is why I doubt this happened.
I honestly think that passing this off to the DC/Instr because they didn't calculate the maths when they submitted the PIC is a bit rich. If PADI were to come down hard on the DC/Instr for a breach in standards, I'd be fairly annoyed at least because the parents did not tell the truth when stating the age of the child. Ultimately the DC/Instr was responsible for verifying the age via the paperwork- that is their failure alone. However I'd still be presenting a defense to PADI if I was the instructor in question. I wouldn't expect much to happen of it, but I would be submitting this as a defense all the same.
You stated in you OP that you set up the vacation to certify your daughter. Again I find it very hard to believe that you didn't know the minimum age requirements seeing as she has already been through Bubblemakers and the Seal Team.
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