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Damselfish:
Maybe skipping deep makes sense if you plan to take the Deep specialty, but I wouldn't skip Nav. It's optional in Adventure but you can still take it. Aside from saving a few bucks I don't really see the point of Adventure, unless maybe you are doing it someplace where you absolutely only have one day and you could fit in the 3 dives but not 5. The point of getting more training is to get more training, right? (It seems like a meaningless cert since you could get it by taking Fish ID, UW Naturalist, and UW Photographer. Not that there's anything wrong with those, but they don't do alot to expand someones diving skills.)

Sure, I'm all for more serious training, but if you ask around you'll find a lot of people here who felt that they did not get much out of AOW, except for the cert to go down to 30m in return for some $. Now I'm not saying it's the instructors fault either - in my case, I could certainly have been a better student by picking the instructors brain more instead of going through the motions and then using the rest of the dive to shoot photos.

But back to the point, if you take the Adventure course followed right up by the 40m deep diver specialty, then you'll receive 7 dives worth of training that will prep you to dive down at 40m instead of 30m - I was told that 40m used to be PADI's deep dive limit for AOW anyway back in the day. Indeed, 4 training dives to teach you how to dive at 40m might be better than 1 training dive to teach you how to dive at 30m.

As for navigation, it's an important skill to learn, but I'm not sure how much I got out of measuring the kick cycles, going forward and then coming back with the compass, using the compass to do the rectangle, and then finding some bottles during a 5 min natural navigation portion. It was just a taste of what navigation is all about, I think I actually have to use the skill for a real purpose to learn it properly, and in doing so I would learn it anyway even without the AOW. Just my 2 cents.
 
This would end up costing you more in course fees. When I teach AOW I charge about $125-$150 per student. My cost for it is built around the book and the certification fee with the rest left as my margin. The adventure diver course uses the same book and the certification fee is hte same. Whereas with the scenario that you are suggesting (Adventure with a specialty in Deep) you will have to pay for 2 certification fees 2 books and still have to do 5 dives.

Now as for the PADI pays more concept-----guys this is just not true. As a PADI and SSI instructor I can say that my costs are about the same for a class. Did everybody here that? The base costs for a class are all about the same for each training agency. (yes i said about and not exactly) What you as a student pay is representative of the market that you live in and the store owners philosophies in the market that you live in. I have heard all the funny pick on the other training agencies, but that is just childish. Why would you care if I was PADI certified? What difference does it make to you? If you are thinking right now--well i'm an instructor and I don't want to have a student from a different agency because they will be subpar, then you either shouldn't take them or actually teach and make them a diver of the certification level that you are teaching.

The Scuba industry is struggling in our domestic markets. Why are you so busy trying to tear the other guy down? I find it sad when all you can do to make yourself look better is to make the other guy look bad.
 
SpencerJackson:
This would end up costing you more in course fees. When I teach AOW I charge about $125-$150 per student. My cost for it is built around the book and the certification fee with the rest left as my margin. The adventure diver course uses the same book and the certification fee is hte same. Whereas with the scenario that you are suggesting (Adventure with a specialty in Deep) you will have to pay for 2 certification fees 2 books and still have to do 5 dives.

Actually I was talking about the 4-dive Deep Diver specialty course that certifies divers to go down to 40m instead of just 30m. I'm assuming some people would want the 40m cert anyway, in which case it would be cheaper to take the Adventure diver course, plus the 40m Deep diver cert, rather than the AOW and Deep diver. The only difference between the two cambos is that the former costs less, but doesn't include navigation.

It's not a huge difference (maybe $40 in resorts I've visited), I was just pointing it to those that felt they were being ripped off by the AOW course.

Another way to get more value out of the AOW might be to combine 2 of the dives in it with the Nitrox speciality - I probably would have done that myself had I know about Nitrox when I was taking my course. By the way, does anyone here know if PADI allows Nitrox to be combined with the 40m deep diver specialty (on their website they just say that Nitrox can be combined with other courses)?
 
I know that Nitrox can be combined with OW cert, because thats what I did when I got certified.


Back on topic- My LDS generally won't let you take AOW from them until you have at least 20 logged dives. Not that 20 makes you automatically ready for AOW, but at least that way you don't have people getting their AOW as their 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th dives.
 
I just found a deal in Barbados from deep blue reef dive shop that if you book 6 or more dives you get your advanced open water cert for $75. Has anyone had any experience with deep blue reef? You can reply direct buck48juno.com Thanks, Jerry
 
I have read all the posts with great interest on this topic.Much I agree with in total and some I do not. As for taking AOW go for it. If the instructor is a good one you will have a ball and gain some valuable insight. If you've only got a few dives under your belt you will get a taste of the different specialties ( in my lds curriculum deep, uw nav, search and recovery, night ,and altitude because our local training spot is at 3500 ft) and find out just what interests you and just how little you really know. What is your personal depth limit. do you get narced at 90, 100, or more if at all? if you get seperated from your buddy do you need to surface or can you find your way back to the mooring line? If your old uncle charlie drops the motor off his boat in the local lake can you find it and bring it up thereby assuring yourself of a place in his will and maybe 50 bucks on the spot? Will you freak out if all you can see is what's in the beam of your light? will you remember to adjust for the altitude in your depth and surface interval computations if you happen to do a mountain lake? These are the things I got a taste of in my AOW. NOT learned completely or mastered but got a taste of. enough that I am now certified in nitrox, drysuit, deep, underwater nav, and equipment specialist, as well as rescue so yes I'm considered to have met the requirements for PADI's Master Scuba Diver rating. But I am by no means a master of my sport. I probably never will be as there is always something new on the dive horizon. I have 63 logged dives 12 of them in excess of 100 ft with three of those to 125 which is about the max depth in the area of the main lake in which I dive. Around 1/2 of my dives are with nitrox including some with mixes of other than 32 or 36 % in order to do the deeper stuff. I had 11 dives in my dry suit before I got in the 3 required for the specialty. Underwater nav is more or less used on every dive at least for me as i make it a practice to practice it to some extent whenever i can and using the nav finder is a plus and really helped on my DM mapping exercise that i just turned in as part of my Dive Master course. I know this is long winded but hey it's 1:13 AM and I just got off work and need to unwind a little.Talking about diving relaxes me. As for experience I have helped out with the certification of approximately 15 students at this point either as a safety diver, escort, buddy, babysitter, gear fixer, etc. Some students i would not hesitate to dive with in good conditions at any time. others who have decided to go through and get their AOW give me the willies when they are getting their gear out of the truck! And one person who is supposed to be getting their DM rating I will not dive with as even though they had over 125 logged dives and was supposed to be escorting me on a dive between my ow and aow took me to 55 ft to find the instructor when I indicated I was down to 600 lbs to ask what to do. He immediately directed me to ascend to the safety stop at 13 ft and he escorted me himself. good thing to as my guage was off and 2min into the stop I was OOA. I grabbed his octo and we safely ascended. It was at this point that the so-called DM candidate got pissed and asked him what he expected her to do. I never even got an apology from her. I did get a valuable lesson though. Two weekends ago while helping with an AOW class I was put in charge of two students on the training platform whil the instructor was guiding a junior advanced on a nav exercise. Vis was about 8 ft and as soon as they got out of sight one student checked his guage and saw he was down to 700 pounds. we were at 35 ft and i had gotten an idea of his air consumption on three previous dives. What to do? Instructor gone, not sure how soon he'd be back, my call. We end the dive. Calmly indicate that we are going to ascend along the bottom do our safety stop and go up. We end up on the surface at the exit point with the student just under 500. Four minutes later instructor and others show up. Asked me what happened. I told him. BIG SMILE! and that's why I left them with you he said.An experience can be good or bad. It's what you do with it when it comes time to apply what you've learned that really shows whether it was good or bad. BTW how did he get down to where he was. it was a long dive ,the second on that tank and he got a little rattled a couple times when we got silted out by the people in front of us breathing increased and he used a little more air than usual. What did he learn? Silt happens! Just relax and it will pass. He'll remember that if it happens again and I'll bet his breathing doesn't even pick up a little. Again sorry so long winded but I hope no one thinks this is a highjacking. It's about experience. get as much as you can and it's better if it's with some one who knows what to do if things get hairy. And someone who's insured!
 
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Another way to get more value out of the AOW might be to combine 2 of the dives in it with the Nitrox speciality - I probably would have done that myself had I know about Nitrox when I was taking my course. By the way, does anyone here know if PADI allows Nitrox to be combined with the 40m deep diver specialty (on their website they just say that Nitrox can be combined with other courses)?

Considering that PADI uses a 1.4 ppO2 maximum which equates to 28m for EAN36 and 34m for EAN32, I'm guessing you can't combine Nitrox with the Deep course. :06:
 
Doesnt the PADI nitrox allow any mix up to 40% ?
 
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Doesnt the PADI nitrox allow any mix up to 40% ?
PADI's Discover Enriched Air Nitrox (the eLearning version) qualifies a diver to dive up to EAN32, stressing their RDP-based EAN32 table. Their full Enriched Air Nitrox certification qualifies a diver up to EAN40, but stresses their RDP-based EAN32 and EAN36 tables, plus conversions with their EAD table.
 
Ah ok so a full padi nitrox ticket does allow custom mixes up to 40%. I didnt realise there were two.
 

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