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Alex777:
To me, a dropoff dive is NOT a "boat dive", it's just the boat Captain pausing for a minute as he passes the wreck so you can giant stride off the stern, check the wreck, and then swim home to CocoView.Can someone clarify this?

Yeah, your perception is correct. The whole operation sucks.

The "drop-off" dive is always the same. Ho-humm.

After the 0900 boat's moored first dive, they "drop" you over Newman's Wall (So the Sun is shining against the wall), in front of Fantasy Island. On the way back into CCV, you can dawdle on the Prince Albert, the 140' long tanker setting upright in 35-65fsw. Then slowly trudge in to lunch. Same old stuff, day after day.

After the 1400 hrs moored boat dive, same deal except they drop you off over the (now sun bathed) CoCoView Wall.

Having done this myself maybe 400 times over the years, I am so absolutely bored to tears by the same old resident and predictable critters, the same Turtles, Spotted Eagles, The Green Morays, the same 4' Cuda, the transient babies including 50 percent of the entries in Paul Humann/Ned Deloach Caribbean Fish & Creature books, well.... after those 400 dives I'm sick of the drop off dive.

Mostly, maybe I'm lazy. I skip the drop off dive and indeed do have them dump me right on top of the Prince Albert wreck. I fiddle there for 1:35, sometimes 2 hours... and while barely moving I then accumulate the other 50 percent of the critters in that Humann book.

Then- to really make it stink, I spend 20 minutes or so traversing the distance from the PA Wreck to the shore exit (a few feet from my room) by looking for several types of Eel, Scorpionfish, Squid, Anemone Crab, Baby Cudas and my least favorite boring creature, the Sailfin Blennie. When I'm really bored I'll suck my tank down to fumes (50psi ?) in 2 feet of water watching two of them duke it out over a special rock.

This PA Wreck dive sucks so badly that you will find that half to three quarters of all guests will do it again after dinner. Eat, dive, sleep. B-o-r-i-n-g ! The call that "Night Life"!

Yeah, it sucks. But it's booked, so don't worry.
 
RoatanMan, my question was not directed at the quality of the dive (which I have also enjoyed in the past). I questioned whether the drop-off arrangement can be truly referred to as a "boat dive." Do you think it can? At Fantasy Island, a DM will take you in the skiff anytime between 8 AM and 8 PM out to the Prince Albert and drop you there. Would you say, therefore, that "Fantasy Island has unlimited boat diving"?
 
CCV has unlimited diving within the diving safety parameters. If you want to get a tank at 3am, do it. Just follow the safety precautions they specify; log yourself out and take the strobe, then log yourself back in. My husband did 6 dives in a day several days, which is not unheard of there. CCV is a Dive Camp. Speaking of "Dive Camp" (here's a shameless plug for our trip) check out this link - http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/ccv/vpost?id=1174946. We've got a block of rooms for two weeks in April. If you are interested, follow the directions on the first post.
 
I would like to recommend that people who are thinking of booking into Fantasy Island should consider the history of the owner, Albert Jackson. He made his money by controlling a big part of the Nicaraguan lobster diving business. If you google this subject, you will find that conditions in this business are horrible. The divers are exploited badly, and almost all of them end up permanently crippled in some way. This I know for sure. I have also read a press report that accuses him of gangsterism, but it didn't contain any evidence, so I don't know if there is any truth to it.

Here's the passage in the report: click on the link below to read the context:

"If an evil like the situation on the Mosquito Coast could exist, someone or something must be to blame. There were plenty of villains to choose from. There were the greedy sacabuzos, the cruel boat captains, the rapacious owners of fish processing plants. There were millionaire lobster magnates like Jorge Morgan and his Honduran counterparts on the island of Roatán, the McNabb family, and Albert Jackson, who used his fishing fortune to build a TV-themed sport-dive facility, Fantasy Island (complete with a local dwarf in the Herve Villechaize role). In the late 1990s, when Nicholas Guarino, a former Wall Street analyst, sought to open a rival processing plant on Roatán, Jackson supposedly sent him a coffin as a welcome gift. "

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I dove Roatan in Sept / 04 ( hot -- one day the temp hit 110 F!). The dive boats from Fantasy Island were cattle boats -- we counted 20 coming off one, so they must have changed since then.

I stayed at St. Anthony's resort. The dive ops were excellent -- knowledgable and contientious dive masters, tiptop boats etc. The resort was pretty good for the price. The downside was that it is not on the beach. The food was a bit average, but fine.
 
What that has to do with diving at Fantasy Island I don't know...

Since you feel that strongly about it you will probably sleep better knowing that his kids basicly ruined him..... Between that and his fish processing plant burning down - "Not insured" pretty well took most of the wind out of his sails - he lost Fantasy Island and his Mansion....... I think he's starting to recover a little - Jackson Square looks like it's doing well and he still owns a pretty good chunk of the Island.

The resort was in reservership for several years and I'm not sure but I think the Italian company that managed it for the bank ended up buying it......

He still has more money then most of us on this board put together but he took a terrible beating between 1996 and 2000

I never have had the pleasure of meating the man but I would like to some day - He came to the island at a time when there really wasn't much there and built himself an empire....

I was also always very impressed with the vision that became Fantasy Island - especally considering there was virtually no infastructure or building equipment on the island when he built it. I think anybody who has seen an airal photo or has actually been there has to admitt that it's a spectacularly bueatiful place..............

We stayed there allot when we first started hanging out in Roatan around 1996

When Jackson owned it and lived in the manssion. It was very intertaining to watch when the Presedent of the country and other important folks stopped buy the manssion to hang out for a few days.......

I even remeber a group of US Senators spending a couple days at the mansion for some kind of Sumitt Meeting.................

On second thought if he hung out with those thugs you might be right about him being a shaddy charactor.....

That's just my opion I could be wrong
 
My post should have read "Anthony's Key" not St. Anthony's.

He hosted a gang of US Senators? That confirms my suspicion!:wink:

What has this got to do with diving? It's a matter of individual choice. Some people don't care about this sort of thing so it won't give them no mind. Speaking only for myself, I'm not a raving lefty but I do care about who profits from my purchases and what they do with the money. If I can avoid patronizing guys like this one I will. And since, as divers, we try to minimize the impact of our activities on marine life, why wouldn't adopt the same attitdue to human life?
 
Alex777:
RoatanMan, my question was not directed at the quality of the dive (which I have also enjoyed in the past). I questioned whether the drop-off arrangement can be truly referred to as a "boat dive." Do you think it can? At Fantasy Island, a DM will take you in the skiff anytime between 8 AM and 8 PM out to the Prince Albert and drop you there. Would you say, therefore, that "Fantasy Island has unlimited boat diving"?


Many people are mislead to believe that the drop-off simply is a ruse to make one think that they are getting a 2nd and 4th dive each day. Now that you have let us all know that you too have taken the time to savor this "drop off" dive, more divers might give it a slow, meandering try!

I have been to a few resorts that feature 4 seperate boat dives, each day. They are usually geared towards the non-US market. In September, we just got back from the Philippines, and although they did offer (and we took advantage of) 4 sepearte dives each day, they confirmed that only the Americans would try to do them all.

Any "double dive" (two tank) boat trip takes a lot of time. Leave at 0830 and take 15 minutes to travel and with briefing, anchoring and to flop in. Another 60 minutes BT, then 30 mins SI. Before you begin the second dive, it is now (a very minimum of) 10:30 a.m. IF you have motored and moored to the second dive site.

CCV has done an end run around this problem. If you want to go into the resort and sunbathe, sleep, internet, shop, take a class, or just hey the bar earlier in the afternoon... ride the boat in- don't do the drop off.

If you want that 2nd morning dive or that fourth afternoon dive... flop in... see you at lunch or dinner!

Is it really a boat dive? Well, you aren't using an SUV or a toy wagon! Sure it's a boat dive, minus the dragging yourself up a ladder at the end. Does FIBR offer unlimited boat diving? Sure, you could say that, but then again- that method is about the only way you could visit the PA Wreck and the DC3 without traversing the muck from FIBR to "The Front Yard". We're mincing words.

Say what these unknowns (and the unknowing) will about Albert Jackson, he built himself one hell of an interesting resort. The above quoted and contrary news stories aside, there was never a local dwarf hired to reprise Tattoo's role from the TV Show. Albert was a lot of things, but he just wasn't that creative or hip. He knew how to copy and mimic.

I have seen him at ease in intimate social situations with his dearest running buddies and pals. He is not a horned devil, he is a product of our fat wallets and weekly flights to Roatan, just as is his resort. Some resorts look less environmentaly intrusive, some may or may not be as damaging. Suffice to say, it would be a less despoiled place if we had never invented sport diving. "They" and their island- are a product of our demands. Albert (and others like him) just knew when to be there and what to do. Blame them? Blame yourself!

You mention AKR. Just ask the owner Julio about the Casino (1970's) . Very few in paradise can match up to a left wing tree hugging socialist agenda that we demand with our umbrella drinks.

The worst thing he ever did was to create that beach by dredging up all of that sand. The run-off from the hill of his mansion also contributed to the problem. His corporation degraded his own shore dive at FIBR to such an extent that it is easily called a moonscape. FIBR is not a dive resort, it is a resort that offers diving. They run a European dive op with schedule to match. Not bad, not good- just what it is.

Along with the political tone of the prior post- does one eschew corporations such as Bayer, IG Farben, BMW, Mitsubishi, and the miriad US Corporations that profited from what was then acceptable behavior? Will you never watch another Seinfeld re-run? Myself? I knew the devastation of the shrimping industry caused by all of the Red Lobster money (driven by our insatiable desire for cheap third rate seafood restaurants in the realm of Long John Silvers) that built and paid for all of those Wolmanized processing buildings. I have seen the reef rape up close and personal. I don't eat or knowingly consume ocean products. What will you do, stay at home?

Bottom line? There are several AI resorts on Roatan where you can crack out 5 dives a day- includng that great night dive! Some you will be tired at the end of the day, some you will be absolutely exhausted by dive 5. The difference? At CCV you can "survive and thrive" the five a day program for all 5.75 "dive days" of your vacation week.
 
Well, since I was the one that said CCV offered 4 boat dives a day, I'll defend that position. If I'm giant striding off a boat, I consider it a boat dive. If I'm being helped with gear & checked out by the DM, I consider it a boat dive. It's actually just a bonus that I can end the dive at the shore instead of having to climb up the boat ladder again (I have old, bad knees). In the PNW I do mostly shore diving. This means I gear up at my van, shlepp anywhere from a few steps to more than the length of a football field in my dry suit, steel BP, steel tank, 18-20 additional lbs of weight, hood, & gloves. This is in any kind of weather I choose to dive in-100 degrees or 30 degrees. Being "dropped off" is heaven. And the dives were wonderful and different each time even though I did both walls 4 times each during the week (which makes 8 daytime dives on the Prince Albert and 2 night dives there). My opinion is that CCV offers 4 boat dives per day.
 
If it's not too late( I just ran across your post today), go to the north side & stay with Bay Island Beach Resort, AKR, or Inn of Last Resort...Having been to Roatan 24 times & have over 600 dives off the island, I know what I'm talking about...We have a house just East of those places on the water in front of 7 Sponges cut in the reef.....There are only 2 dives on the south side that are worth staying & diving that side, they are Mary's Place & the Italian's shark dive....The better diving is on the North side & all along West End(West End will be gotten to by any of the 3 places I mentioned)....All 3 places are different from each other so you have a wide choice...Now saying everything I've said, the one time of year may be a little iffie IF a US cold front gets down there BUT I've only lost 2 dives in 24 trips there due to weather...Good luck, if you have any questions I can answer, please feel free to send me an email...I can't remember if my new email address if correct on my info here, so I'll add it right now....drjr52@yahoo.com...Good luck & you will NOT be disappointed in Roatan, my home away from home....Joe
 

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