a retreat from DIR

[TSandM]

DIR-Atlanta, Bravo!

Well that may work but not in the context of the DIR system so if you are striving to be a DIR diver the answer is no, if you have no desire be DIR, then yes, that may work for you. You'll have to decide if the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

Isn't that almost exactly what I said about eight pages ago?

We have a few people on SB who seem to enjoy being irritating more than they enjoy any exchange of ideas. Unfortunately, a few are also tightly identified with the DIR contingent. I find it extremely sad that that alone is enough to turn people away from investigating the diving system itself. It's like my husband, who dislikes my Fundies instructor, and has therefore decided that he wants nothing to do with any training from GUE anywhere, from anybody.

The system has value, regardless of the personalities of some individuals practicing it. Because they are the loudest doesn't mean that there aren't some quiet, thoughtful and pleasant individuals doing the same thing

 

[Jason B]

Strong opinion on some subject and lack of sugar-coat (I borrowed this from Soggy)doesn't imply bad character. Internet discussions (even the hardest ones) don't necessarry reflect the characters of participants. Meet someone in real life and then judge his/her character. Stating that you made up your mind about characters of group of people and about your way of divind based on Internet discussion is little bit frivolous.

That very well may be the case. If so, my loss.

I usually read back what I type to make sure it reflects me as a person. Apparently, not everyone has this concern.

 

[ShoalDiverSA]

I'd like to comment on this, possibly at the risk of undoing some of the "Good Karma" that I have (hopefully) tried to bring into this discussion.
...

DIR-Atlanta,

Great post! Only "Good Karma" here...

Cheers,

Andrew

 

[H2Andy]

And the reason why stages are not worn on the right is because (in addition to the scootering issue), it would convolute hose routing and donation during an OOG situation.

yes, this is true

i've already had issues with a stage on the right clipping over the hose,
preventing about one foot worth of extension (as the hose dips under the top
clip and up)

i am going to have to keep an eye on that and see if practice can eliminate it.

it's certainly a concern

The crotch D-ring seems like a bad choice to me -

and to me... the point of moving the SPG was for easier reading without
clipping and unclipping. the crotch d-ring is not going to solve that.

also, it probalby will create a loop of hose down there which will catch on
everything as you swim close to it

 

[DIR-Atlanta]

DIR-Atlanta,

Great post! Only "Good Karma" here...

Be careful - otherwise my karma might run over your dogma.

 

[BCS]

i'd like DIR diver's responses, which is why i put it here

Hi Andy,
I'd just like to let you know that what you're experiencing isn't unique to you and I would venture that w/a bit more practice these small issues would be non-existent.
A tip for the light cord, it sounds as if yours is too long. You can shorten that and it should be the long enough to reach to the outstretched left hand "without" and slack hanging. Knowing that there is a valid reason for everything we do and it is based on accident analysis as well as many divers' experience in many environments and developed as a solution to finding a system that works for all of them w/o major changes to the overall philosophy and primary gear configuration, please be patient w/yourself and trying something new.
Regardless of what you choose to do, good luck and dive safe!

Best Regards,
brandon

 

[Jason B]

DIR-Atlanta, Bravo!

I agree.

The system has value, regardless of the personalities of some individuals practicing it. Because they are the loudest doesn't mean that there aren't some quiet, thoughtful and pleasant individuals doing the same thing

Very true TSandM. I guess I need to remember that.

I have learned a lot from all of you. Soggy has helped me out with some O2 sensor issues via pm and was super nice about it (hope that doesn't ruin your reputation Soggy ), then again, we've butted heads in a few threads .

 

[H2Andy]

Everyone knows that DIR divers believe that DIR is the best way
to dive. If they didn't believe that, they wouldn't be diving DIR

i don't have a problem with this

if you ask me who the best wife in the world is, i'll say mine. otherwise i
wouldn't be married to her

 

[H2Andy]

The system has value, regardless of the personalities of some individuals practicing it.

too true

but anyway, that would be an ad hominem attack

what if the inventor of electricity was a pedofile, alcoholic murderer?

that doesn't mean electricity is a bad thing

 

[grazie42]

Posted by DIR-atlanta:
The crotch D-ring seems like a bad choice to me - I would think it would increase the risk of entanglement, and if you're in a low area, that's going to make it hard to get free. Why not just use the proper length hose and clip the SPG up out of the way?

How is the spg any further "away" from the body on the crotch d-ring? It´s actually lying flat, against your crotchstrap...maybe you, or I, am picturing this wrong...at most it´s a difference of an inch...getting it free is way simpler because you can actually see it...which is why I like it there...no clipping/unclipping to see it...

but I´m not really arguing the point as I dive with it on the left at the moment and only have to bend my neck to see it...despite stages/deco bottles...but H2Andy does and I suggested another solution that I know works and that I may return to because the spg is easier to read when it is "centered"...

I could maybe see that it would be a concern in open ocean deco diving, where you might be carrying a deco bottle or two - most people prefer 40s for that, which would seem to mitigate some of the difficulties associated with clipping or unclipping the SPG, due to their smaller size.
Personally, I think this "problem" is most easily resolved with lots of practice in a consistent gear setup, but then that is true of most things.

I don´t do deco in caves (yet) but I do in the ocean...let´s just leave it at that...

As far as wrapping around the right arm to take up slack...SNIP...

I meant the LEFT...sorry for making you type all that... Though WHEN I use my right hand I thread the light cord beneath the longhose and when I swith back I thread it back underneath...

Thank you for your detailed and reasonable responses...