7 foot hose Rec. Diving?

[Meng_Tze]

Pardon, but seems to me i someone "grabs" a reg from you, they will get what they "grab" whichever one it happens to be

& if you don't want them to have that particular one, you will have to work it out "after the grab" I suppose

in absolute theory, you are right... in practice it may be different. If they grab the reg in my mouth, no issue. I donate and go to back up (on bungee). If they manage to grab the backup underneath my primary, they will find that it is stuck like a mofo......and I will donate the primary. Then I still go to back up. But this was covered about 20-30 posts ago.

 

[texarkandy]

How did we end up with colours now?

The original poster indicated he was doing a conversion from a convential rec-diver setup to a 7' hose.

I was pointing out it might not be the best idea to bungee one of those yellow-octo backup regs around your neck on a yellow hose (if you were doing a conversion of a standard rec-diver setup to a 7' primary)

(The orginal poster later clarified he did not have a yellow-octo backup, but rather a standard reg)

But, That's how we got on the color thing. It occurred to me many McDivers (as some like to call them) are going to be looking for the "yellow-in-the-triangle". So if you are going to do something different & you are concerned about encountering one of those folks needing air, why not put your primary on a yellow hose to give that extra little visual clue? (if you are really concerned about it)

Or is DIR only "Right" as long as it doesn't look like something a DorkDiver might have? (a yellow hose)

 

[TheRedHead]

Or is DIR only "Right" as long as it doesn't look like something a DorkDiver might have? (a yellow hose)

It doesn't matter what color hose you have, but it is best to buy a "set" for your new configuration. Mine came in black.

Have you even seen this configuration? There is no "triangle."

 

[texarkandy]

Ok - whatever, i'll go mow the grass now & get the boat ready

 

[Meng_Tze]

Or is DIR only "Right" as long as it doesn't look like something a DorkDiver might have? (a yellow hose)

This is not a DIR thing at all, and I have no inclination to make it so.

This is about putting a 7ft hose on a rig and making sure we know why and how to manage OOG situations. I do understand that may diver's are taught to look for the yellow octo. This is why it was mentioned to work out OOG scenarios with you buddy. On the same token, it behooves the other divers to also be aware that not everyone may have the same rig with yellow hoses and reg covers. Bottom line is, I/my buddy know (s) where/how to share gas..... do you as a potential OOG diver know what/how things work when approaching a different diver?

But one thing is for sure:

When you are OOG and you approach a diver, you can be sure that the reg in his/her mouth works. Either consciously or subconsciously, you know that and go for that.

If you come to a diver with a different set up, is it his responsibility to make sure that you can get a yellow hose/reg and make sure that you can find it? No, you get what you get.....

 

[John_B]

Ummm, because that's how THEY were trained? ("look for the octo-reg on the yellow hose in the triangle) If you're gonna do something different, what's wrong with a little visual cue as a helper?

Then maybe this is is a problem with PADI training or the way PADI is being taught? This isn't just a "long hose" problem. Someone with an Air2 is also going to have to donate their primary reg. If PADI isn't covering that configuration for new divers, then they are shortchanging their students.

As I understand it (and I don't have my PADI book right now) the so-called "golden triangle" actually extends from your mouth or chin to either hip, correct? Can someone look this up to verify it?

John

 

[nereas]

Then maybe this is is a problem with PADI training or the way PADI is being taught? This isn't just a "long hose" problem. Someone with an Air2 is also going to have to donate their primary reg. If PADI isn't covering that configuration for new divers, then they are shortchanging their students.

As I understand it (and I don't have my PADI book right now) the so-called "golden triangle" actually extends from your mouth or chin to either hip, correct? Can someone look this up to verify it?

John

One of the few good things about an Air2 is that it does indeed force you to donate your primary, and that I feel is a good thing. You are left stuck with a cheap piece of xxxx stuck in your own mouth, but what the heck? To each his/her own.

 

[Nemrod]

PadI, the evil PadI,certainly does teach a triangle and I for one have heard it put that more or less to look for the yellow in the triangle. I am not agreeing with that, just that is what I have seen taught.

TexArkAndy, I am going to go ride the tractor and mow also and I was not trying to nail the definitions down as if from Websters, I would also call a backup regulator a secondary regulator since both imply a complete regulator consisting of a first and second stage independent of the primary. An octapus, to contrast, got it's name because of all the hoses attached to a SINGLE first stage mading it appear like an octapus. An octapus reg has a single first stage and two second stages. An octapus reg does not provide real redundancy, a dual regulator rig like we are calling a secondary reg or backup reg does provide limited redundancy on a single tank (H/Y valve) or complete redundancy on isolated doubles. An octapus rig is strictly a sport diver configuration not suited to overhead environments but is perfectly adequate if not superior for open water sport diving.

I think the important thing to do since this is not a DIR forum is to think out a logical approach that is compatible with your buddies and the diving that you do and let all the name calling and Dork adjectives fall where they might---on my deaf ears for example. I know a dork when I see one and somehow it is more often the one using the adjective.

N, proud to be a dork anytime

 

[nereas]

The original poster indicated he was doing a conversion from a convential rec-diver setup to a 7' hose.

I was pointing out it might not be the best idea to bungee one of those yellow-octo backup regs around your neck on a yellow hose (if you were doing a conversion of a standard rec-diver setup to a 7' primary)

(The orginal poster later clarified he did not have a yellow-octo backup, but rather a standard reg)

But, That's how we got on the color thing. It occurred to me many McDivers (as some like to call them) are going to be looking for the "yellow-in-the-triangle". So if you are going to do something different & you are concerned about encountering one of those folks needing air, why not put your primary on a yellow hose to give that extra little visual clue? (if you are really concerned about it)

Or is DIR only "Right" as long as it doesn't look like something a DorkDiver might have? (a yellow hose)

I have seen long hoses in yellow, especially on some classic traditional tech divers. The same ones who bungee their long hoses to their right tank in doubles.

I think that is probably a good idea.

However I don't want to look like a dork diver, having a long yellow hose, so I will stick to having everything black instead.

 

[nereas]

in absolute theory, you are right... in practice it may be different. If they grab the reg in my mouth, no issue. I donate and go to back up (on bungee). If they manage to grab the backup underneath my primary, they will find that it is stuck like a mofo......and I will donate the primary. Then I still go to back up. But this was covered about 20-30 posts ago.

I have read accounts where the distressed victim grabbed both regs, in turn, since being panicked and gasping for air, neither reg is going to seem to be delivering enough air. AND knock off your mask in the process.

If I saw someone coming at me, panicked, I would curl my legs up and get ready to push him away with my feet. If it looks like he needs air, I will hand him my 7 foot reg. Then I will make sure he cannot get at my necklaced backup.