7 foot hose Rec. Diving?

[nereas]

My training (SSI) was to talk about emergency procedures before the dive. If I happen to run out of gas, I am supposed to go to my buddy (and not some random stranger) and signal that I am out of gas. My buddy is then supposed to donate whatever it is that they are to donate, be it their primary regulator or their backup regulator. This is precisely how things played out in the one situation I had an out of gas incident when I first started diving. The color of his regs never played a role.

Are the majority of new divers really being trained to look for some yellow regulator from some random stranger if they run out of gas? What do they do if that other diver doesn't even have a yellow octo and instead has an air2 (which by the way is usually either black or grey)?

I agree, and I also discuss (1) air sharing and (2) lost buddy procedures with any buddy before going into the water.

By checking their SPG every few minutes, there is no reason that anyone should run OOA.

 

[TheRedHead]

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If I saw someone coming at me, panicked, I would curl my legs up and get ready to push him away with my feet. If it looks like he needs air, I will hand him my 7 foot reg. Then I will make sure he cannot get at my necklaced backup.

Me too. I don't think some here understand how dangerous a situation is with a panicked diver going for your reg. Dive defensively.

 

[nereas]

Me too. I don't think some here understand how dangerous a situation is with a panicked diver going for your reg. Dive defensively.

Panic gives people a powerful adrenaline rush. And that makes them 10 times stronger than normal. You're right, most people would be surprised.

 

[DivingCRNA]

You are assuming a lot of things about me that are not true. I am not a DIR guy. I am a diver with a 7 foot hose that dives a BP/W with a back up reg around my neck.

I do not dive to save the random OOA diver swimming up to me. I dive for the safety of me and my buddies. I also do most of my dives to around 100 feet or greater in fresh water. If I find an OOA McDiver down there, he/she has a lot of other problems. I will help them, but they are not going to care what color my hose is as long as it delivers air.

BTW-I am not sure if you can buy a yellow 7 foot hose. I just never looked. I do not care about color and lots of stuff comes in black. That is why most of my gear is black.

I'm thinking you both (Red & CRNA) missed my point a little, but first off let me say (again!) that I KNOW you don't use the cheap octo-regs & that your primary IS your intended donate reg. I pointed that out in my previous post and can only presume you skimmed over it instead of actually reading it.

Second, I know YOUR buddy knows what to do CRNA - I pointed out that I was aware of that too.


I've just seen this hypothetical of the McDiver coming out of the blue at you thrown out there so many times in these OOA discussions on ScubaBoard. It's just assumed he/she's ripping your primary reg of your mouth, & I've no doubt that does happens from what I've heard from folks with experience.

But I'm talking here about the hypothetical McDiver who is maybe not quite yet fully panicked & attempting to do what HE/SHE was trained to do - and that would be "look of the yellow octo clipped somewhere in the triangle". So if a person in that not yet fully panicked & trying to do the right thing approaches you & finds your secondary on your bungee might they just not grab for that - thinking they are supposed to? Then the fight is on I suppose & woe to them if it is with "Red"

If you're intention/plan/procedure is to hand your primary Apeks/Zeagle/WalMart/whatever reg over to the OOA diver, & you are concerned about the rec McDiver coming at you out of the blue who doesn't know your procedure, would there be an added measure of safety to put that primary reg on a yellow hose to at least help give McDiver a visual cue that's the one he/she's "supposed" to have. Instead of having them fumbling all over your harness trying to find that octo-reg that's not there cause you have a secondary bungeed around your neck.

So what's wrong with putting your primary on a yellow hose since it's your intended donate rec. Isn't there some merit in having that additional "visual cue" for these other-trained diver that people on ScubaBoard like to talk about in their hypotheticals?

Or is there a resistance because a yellow hose would just be too "Dork" and uncool, despite any merit to the idea?

 

[RadRob]

Well, you all know my response... They come at me and grab for my reg, I just punch them in the nose. Others just use their feet and kick them away, but I like to see a little blood - attracts wildlife.

 

[texarkandy]

So it seems consensus here is:

There is little or no merit in the idea of using a long yellow hose on the primary reg as an additional visual cue when one converts their configuration to the long primary-short bungeed secondary config with the associated different OOA procedure.

So what objection would there be to doing that. Why do they bother with the color on the commonly sold octo-reg configs then? (universal visual cue, perhaps?) Why would you not on the long hose setup?

BTW - to whoever said they didn't know if you could buy long yellow hose - a quick check of ScubaToys reveals yellow hose is pretty readily avail in 5', 7' or custom whatever you want - same price as black apparently

(back to the yard work now

 

[nereas]

So it seems consensus here is:

There is little or no merit in the idea of using a long yellow hose on the primary reg as an additional visual cue when one converts their configuration to the long primary-short bungeed secondary config with the associated different OOA procedure.

So what objection would there be to doing that. Why do they bother with the color on the commonly sold octo-reg configs then? (universal visual cue, perhaps?) Why would you not on the long hose setup?

BTW - to whoever said they didn't know if you could buy long yellow hose - a quick check of ScubaToys reveals yellow hose is pretty readily avail in 5', 7' or custom whatever you want - same price as black apparently

(back to the yard work now

I did not notice any concensus at all about anything. Not sure where you are getting that.

Now, back to work. I have to work this weekend so that I can go diving all of next weekend.

 

[robertarak]

So it seems consensus here is:

There is little or no merit in the idea of using a long yellow hose on the primary reg as an additional visual cue when one converts their configuration to the long primary-short bungeed secondary config with the associated different OOA procedure.

So what objection would there be to doing that. Why do they bother with the color on the commonly sold octo-reg configs then? (universal visual cue, perhaps?) Why would you not on the long hose setup?

BTW - to whoever said they didn't know if you could buy long yellow hose - a quick check of ScubaToys reveals yellow hose is pretty readily avail in 5', 7' or custom whatever you want - same price as black apparently

(back to the yard work now

Consensus? On scubaboard???

 

[daniel f aleman]

For recreational open water use, I have a yellow 40" hose on my primary (donate) and a black 22" hose on my bungeed backup (both hoses are routed from the right).

 

[UnderSeaBumbleBee]

BTW-I am not sure if you can buy a yellow 7 foot hose. I just never looked. I do not care about color and lots of stuff comes in black. That is why most of my gear is black.

You can in fact purchase a yellow 7' hose. I have one on my rig. Scuba Toys sells them as well as many other places. Not sure if I would go with it again. The material it is made out of is a little floaty for my taste. I do like the color, but not is buoyancy characteristics.