Rickg
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My guess is that if they keep this up it won't be too long before they remove themselves from the human gene pool. And it won't be a loss for mankind either.
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My guess is that if they keep this up it won't be too long before they remove themselves from the human gene pool. And it won't be a loss for mankind either.
In the 293' version, I only counted two divers, and there were three people on the boat on the way back (driver, Titanic impersonator and camera man).
And the reel was attached to a dive flag -- you can see that as they're getting to the surface at the end of the dive.
Also guys -- if these people were trained in deco procedures, I'm not sure how we can call them idiots. I've heard of people planning dives to PPO2 of right around 1.8 (they were at 1.855) and other than that, 293' is nowhere near any sort of depth record...
On the other hand, if they weren't trained, they were bloody idiots and cheated death big time.
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Why does it appear to be a Nitrox bottle? is that just for the deco?
Sher, what makes you know they don't have training?
I keep thinking about Kurt doing 170 without any tanks...
Oh..and did this guys only do 293 instead of 300 because that was the bottom? I thought the backwall was deeper than that.
BTW...there is a nice wall off Portlock "Todd's Ledge" and old timer cam diver just showed us, it goes to 300 for those who need a close tech site. It goes from 90 to 300 on our depth finder and runs east west and this side of the Corsair.
Sher, what makes you know they don't have training?
I keep thinking about Kurt doing 170 without any tanks...
Oh..and did this guys only do 293 instead of 300 because that was the bottom? I thought the backwall was deeper than that.
BTW...there is a nice wall off Portlock "Todd's Ledge" and old timer cam diver just showed us, it goes to 300 for those who need a close tech site. It goes from 90 to 300 on our depth finder and runs east west and this side of the Corsair.
In the 293' version, I only counted two divers, and there were three people on the boat on the way back (driver, Titanic impersonator and camera man).
And the reel was attached to a dive flag -- you can see that as they're getting to the surface at the end of the dive.
Also guys -- if these people were trained in deco procedures, I'm not sure how we can call them idiots. I've heard of people planning dives to PPO2 of right around 1.8 (they were at 1.855) and other than that, 293' is nowhere near any sort of depth record...
On the other hand, if they weren't trained, they were bloody idiots and cheated death big time.
What's the PO2 of AIR at 293' it's not 1.855 last time I checked (you are an instructor...right? )tell me how any trained deco procedures diver will attempt this dive with the configuration they had....yes they are idiots...it's ok though as darwin will take care of it sooner or later. Listen...this **** was cool like in 1990, when people didn't know any better...I would hope that all the pioneers of technical diving didn't give their lives in vain. The lessons we learned from their deaths have propelled technical diving to a sport that can be executed safely, but it's clowns like these ... that when they go kill themselves will give the rest of the technical diving community a bad rap.
Hey this is just my opinion, and we know that opinion's are like ... @!@&*(^% everyone has one.
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But how can you tell if they are diving air?
those were not young guys, I don't think. I mean he did not have one hair on his head.
Kind of a nice boat!
He is wearing freediving fins, makes me think he is one of that crowd maybe.
On the other hand, the guy is bald as a doorknob and looks like he has made it this far....
those were not young guys, I don't think. I mean he did not have one hair on his head.
Kind of a nice boat!
He is wearing freediving fins, makes me think he is one of that crowd maybe.
Three words...
Dibs on gear.
Dibs on gear.
I just ran this through my universal translator and it came out as: "He is bald, so he must know what he is doing..." then I got the blue screen of death...
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lol, at least they weren't chubby too.
on top of being idiots and bald.
on top of being idiots and bald.
People knew better way before that, and still did this stuff. I watched my dad and his friends be scuba *jack asses* all my life. They do know better, he was a math/physics major. They are adrenaline junkies, which is different from being low intellect. It's incorrect to think your "training" would fix them. He did teach me not to "trust me dive" lol.
I can't...but that's what he says in his description...
"diving 293' deep at molokini back wall with air."
Me and not double checking quick math. Forgot the starting 1 atm. They were at 2.06... eek!
Ok, not being trained in deco procedures makes it difficult for me to say exactly...
But let's point out some things they did *right*: 1. towing a flag so the surface support could track them (and recover them if necessary); 2. having a backup / deco bottle slung and ready to go; stayed with buddy team.
From the video, we can tell that part of the narcosis was a warped view of time -- the first few attempts to show us the dive computer were too quick, but he likely figured he held that shot long enough. This is probably the same thing that had them checking in with each other so often.
We don't know that they weren't trained -- but we don't know that they were. Just because they don't do things in a generally accepted way doesn't mean they didn't make these decisions as "calculated risks" based on whatever knowledge they have.
Sherman: I posted before I had read your posts -- and I respect your view a lot. When the general public starts calling people idiots for doing things they don't know how to do, I question their perceptions. A lot of people I know would look at stuff that you do (general tec diving) and call you an idiot, simply because they don't understand the amount of planning, training and experience you'd put into it.
To me (and my flawed fuzzy-brained math), these guys looked like they were pushing the limits a bit, but had made sufficient considerations for the dive.
For those of you not familiar -- the Molokini Backwall has "bottoms" ranging from 250' to 400'+, depending on where you descend. Additionally, it's fair to say that these divers would have been *just about* (if not actually) within view of a person snorkeling on the surface. The water here is usually that clear.
What *really* amazed me about this dive is that the bottom composition was mostly rocks and not just lead and disintegrated nylon webbing.
By the way -- after looking at more of their videos (namely, the Carthaginian one) I think I've met one of these guys (Zoli), and he does have a European accent, IIRC. Also, to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have any formal tec training.
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