3 Divers lost on the Spiegel Grove

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mjsylver:
Here's the latest from the Miami Herald this morning. Looks like too many shortcuts and going somewhere they shouldn't have been.
http://www.miamiherald.com/884/story/45198.html


Yep...second dive on the wreck, went in found a passageway that was open, and went in...

The sad part is according to the guy from their LDS is that they apparently HAD extensive experience and advanced training, but STILL did it... Narcosis?

Never experienced it, but is that enough to make you turn into "invincible diver" and start into places you shouldn't venture?

You can almost bet that hatch will be WELDED shut after the investigation is over.
 
tridacna:
PMJI I dived with these guys many times. I knew them well. I never saw them dive without Jersey reels. Ever. Let's not jump to conclusions.

Trida - My thoughts and prayers are with you my friend, I know how it is to lose a friend this way. When it's all said and done the only thing that matters is the memories and good times you shared.

Always descending,
C.H.
 
OK....devil's advocate here...and no, I am not arguing just to argue...grrr:D

what if the divers were diving a plan that led them to an exit that on a previous dive TRIP was cut open, but had since been re-sealed / re-locked close?

Just a question. One guy made it out gasping for air like a mad dash....possibly stirring up silt and trapping the two behind. Although, whether he left them behind or not, they still probably would have perished.

The sad thing is that they are dead and cannot defend themselves and argue back that, "no, we were not being idots...we just made an accidental error in judgement and assumptions".

Welding all passageways with a plate and 1 inch diameter flow holes is a great idea,but all entrances to the "off limits areas" needs to be welded so no one cuts one of the chains again.
 
The primary error in judgement occured on the dive boat before they hit the water. The rest is just inconsequential details.
 
error = they forgot to pee before they jumped in?

error = They forgot to wear clean underwear like mom used to say in case they go to the hospital?

I just don't know what you mean.

We were not there, and I could have sworn that some wreck training in the past included "no reel" penetration. Yes this was a "steel cave", but they may have been wreck divers trained without the reel.


This was not their first trip to the SG
 
I imagine that someone already commented on this paragraph in the release form.

"12. I affirm that I will not dive in an environment that is beyond my training level and ability. I agree to not enter into or penetrate an overhead environment. This pertains to all wreck diving."

And no matter the whys and wherefores, it's a sad situation.
 
All the speculation and self righteous posturing, much from folks who never have dived the grove or knew the divers involved, will now, sadly, be in the courts. I'm sure the parties on all sides will have multiple offers of "help" from ambulance chasers. This will go on for quite awhile. In the meantime, the ship is still there and divers will be diving it on Monday and the days after that. May they all be safe.
 
This was posted on another forum board (Diving Accidents) and was a pretty interesting account of someone that was there topside when this event happened.

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Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:34 -0700 (PDT)


My 2 cents.

I was diving "The Grove" Friday morning when this incident occurred. There were 5 boats out there, about half the number that are normally present, due to 5 to 6 foot waves keeping the crowd down. I was on Quiescence II, which was moored to the starboard bow ball. Slate's boat "Starfish Enterprise" was moored next to us on port bow ball. Additionally, there was "Scuba Do", "Island Ventures" & "It's A Dive" on site at the time and tied up on port balls of the wreck.

My first comment is WHAT AN INCREDIBLE JOB ALL THE CAPTAINS PRESENT DID DURING THIS INCIDENT.

Scuba Do captain did a great job in managing all the radio traffic and inquiries made by the Coast Guard & other agencies that showed up. It was a VERY CONFUSING and FLUID situation & he calmly worked the problem.

The first diver came up (low on air) and blew a whistle to alert of a problem. Coast Guard was called and they were actually ON SCENE by the time the divers that were from Slate's boat (and just happened upon the diver in the wreck) came up with the first victim. A Coast Guard RIB-like vessel pulled along side of them and 4 CG crew men pulled the diver on board. I'm guessing not more than a minute from the time that divers surfaced with him.

NOW, I don't know what the news articles mean that say he was in "distress". Because the CG started giving the diver CPR right away! So if "distress" means in respitory and/or cardiac arrest, then OK, I'll agree with that statement. Normally, we use "distress" for a diver that is having problems getting down, or is stressed due to be low on air. Anyway, CG gave compressions and floated on the scene for maybe 5 minutes, as there was some possibility that 2 divers coming up that same line were the "lost" divers. A diver from Island Ventures entered the water and went down that line to deliver a fresh bottle, as it was assumed that if it were the 2 missing divers, they would be in DEEP DECO and need more gas. However, after more minutes passing, and numerous radio inquiries, it was determined that the divers on the line WERE NOT the missing ones, just 2 divers coming up the wrong line. (Divers coming up wrong line on SG is not uncommon. We had 2 of Slate's divers
come up our line in the middle of our group. In a pinch, any line will do is often the thought...usually by those who didn't plan or pay attention on their dive!) Once it was determined not to be the divers, the CG RIB took off to shore with the unresponsive diver.

We (and the other boats present) stayed on scene for an hour. We had lookouts posted, in case the divers surfaced away from the wreck. But the current WAS LOW that day, and the probability of that was low too. Some highly qualified divers on our boat, prepared to go back down, but with a short surface interval, bottom time was insufficient to be effective. ( I can only assume the same situation was occurring on the other boats present.) At some point the reality of it being a RECOVERY instead of RESCUE was reached. Scuba Do captain radioed CG to close the wreck for diving. CG helicopter showed up later and hovered the area for probably an hour.

The dive shop the group I was diving with was staying at, was used as headquarters for the recovery effort. A recovery group went out FRI afternoon and returned after dark without being able to remove the trapped divers. They went out again on SAT morning and finally returned LATE Saturday afternoon with the recovery completed.

IT IS PHENOMENAL the amount of MAN POWER and EQUIPMENT that went into this effort, due to the depth involved. A big tip of the hat to Key Largo Fire Rescue and all the other parties/agencies/ diveshops involved in the recovery.

Again it was impressive the level of professionalism and responsiveness that was shown that day. It is unfortunate that all this effort couldn't have brought forth a better outcome.


Sincerely,

**Name removed**
 
:( dangit...solving that is gonna keep me up all night....grrr
 
1. Diploma?

PS...there was a glitch on scubaboard that posted this response twice when I edited. So no, I did not ignore any PM's regarding making my many posts concise into one post.
 

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