2007 SEC Football Discussion Thread

[utdivermatt]

Now as far as your quote about SEC being the toughest conference, that is just plain silly talk perpetuated by the typical bias running through sports today. The PAC-10 is the midnight conference and hence no one sees them play. Yet if you look at almost all the numbers, they match or exceed the SEC in stats. So does the Big-10 for that matter. The entire "we beat each other up therefore it's harder to win if you're int he SEC" is BS. The SEC is a good conference but they are not the only good conference.

Oh really? I tend to remember a preseason Pac-10 favorite getting destroyed by an SEC team that wasn't expect to do anything (and in all reality didn't). What was that score? 35-18? And I wouldn't even say it was that close. Not that I was there or anything.

How deep does the Pac-10 go? You got USC, yes, but when was the last time someone else really did anything?

You got Cal: which tries, but never makes much noise.

UCLA: which claims there biggest win of the last decade to be over USC.

OSU: same story.

Oregon... who needs to change their name from the Ducks to the flying highlighters.

Washington: what's Ty actually doing up there?

WSU: have they done anything this century?

Arizona: plays basketball pretty well

ASU: mediocre at the best of times

Stanford: I would take our smart school over yours any day.



I mean really, if you took out USC what does the pac-10 actually have? You drop out Florida (or any other school in the SEC), you still have powerhouse programs in Louisiana State, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, as well as the improving programs such as USC, Alabama, and Arkansas. Even the bottomdwellers Kentucky and Vandy are making a lot of noise the past few years.

I don't see how you can sit there and talk about the greatness of the Pac-10. Please show these stats you talk of. I'm not saying they aren't good, or they dont play football out there on the West Coast, but its not the SEC. Call us when your one loss teams are winning National Championships.

 

[ScubaTexan]

Watch out for the D-Mac Attack!!

 

[The Chairman]

Oh really? ...SNIP... I'm not saying they aren't good, or they dont play football out there on the West Coast, but its not the SEC. Call us when your one loss teams are winning National Championships.

Ya rly! Da Matt is in Da House! You know, you are all right fer a Volunteer!

 

[downdeep]

Listen to Matt. He knows what he's talking about. The SEC will beat the BEJESUS out of you. Tough conference with hard hitting speed players. It would be difficult, if not impossible, for ANY Pac 10 team to compete week in, week out with even the bottom tier SEC teams.

Frankly, I'm just hopeful that we can make a good showing. SEC will be strong this year.

Go Vols.

 

[MPR]

I'm going to remove myself from this topic as it's obvious that there is no such thing as either an unbiased discussion or reality for that matter when it comes to discussing football here. Keep thinking that the SEC beats each other up therefore everyone else is second fiddle. Why don't we just automatically say whoever wins the SEC championship is the national champion? I mean, after all, isn't that what you all feel? And your "bottomdwellers" make noise. What in the world is that supposed to mean??

UT, what stats would you like to discuss? National Championships? Alabama = 12, USC =12
Heisman trophy candidates/recipients? Leading Rushers? Leading Passers? The SEC has MAYBE 6 out of 12 good teams in any given year. The Pac-10 consistently has 3-4 in the top 25 EVERY year. There is no conference where every team can do well.

Tough schedules??

Florida

Sat Sep 1 Western Kentucky
Sat Sep 8 Troy
Sat Sep 15 Tennessee
Sat Sep 22 at Ole Miss
Sat Sep 29 Auburn
Sat Oct 6 at LSU
Sat Oct 20 at Kentucky
Sat Oct 27 Georgia
Sat Nov 3 Vanderbilt (HC)
Sat Nov 10 at South Carolina
Sat Nov 17 Florida Atlantic
Sat Nov 24 Florida State

Western Kentuky, Troy and Florida Atlantic. Are those even D-1 schools??? You're right, that's a tough shedule-not. Even if Florida goes undefeated they are going to need to dominate other ranked teams to get over these three jokes. Remember Auburn a few years ago??

USC's schedule

Sep. 1 Idaho
Sep. 15 at Nebraska
Sep. 22 Wash. St.
Sep. 29 at Washington
Oct. 6 Stanford
Oct. 13 Arizona
Oct. 20 at Notre Dame
Oct. 27 at Oregon
Nov. 3 Oregon State
Nov. 10 at California
Nov. 22 at Arizona State
Dec. 1 UCLA

1 non conference team.

Tennessee

Sept. 1 — at California
Sept. 8 — Southern Miss
Sept. 15 — at Florida
Sept. 22 — Northern Illinois
Sept. 29 — Central Florida
Oct. 6 — Georgia
Oct. 13 — at Miss. State
Oct. 20 — at Alabama
Oct. 27 — South Carolina
Nov. 10 — Arkansas
Nov. 17 — Vanderbilt
Nov. 24 — at Kentucky

Get's to play Northern Illinois and UCF oooohhhh. Oh, and guess what? The kick off game is against Cal, my alma mater.

And finally, your statement of you will take your smart school over ours every day, please tell me you are talking about football because I am certain you are not talking about academics.

So again, tell yourselves that the SEC is by far the best and the rest of us will wait and watch. Time is the true test and we will see where we end up.

 

[mike_s]

Oh really? .

ya know... I haven't seen Matt around in what seems months...

and what do ya know... we start talking about SEC Football and someone mentions the VOLS and he pops up like a termite!!!!

Good to see you around again Matt.

-mike

 

[utdivermatt]

I'm going to remove myself from this topic as it's obvious that there is no such thing as either an unbiased discussion or reality for that matter when it comes to discussing football here.

Heisman trophy candidates/recipients? Leading Rushers? Leading Passers? The SEC has MAYBE 6 out of 12 good teams in any given year. The Pac-10 consistently has 3-4 in the top 25 EVERY year. There is no conference where every team can do well.

Tough schedules??

Florida

Sat Sep 1 Western Kentucky
Sat Sep 8 Troy
Sat Sep 15 Tennessee
Sat Sep 22 at Ole Miss
Sat Sep 29 Auburn
Sat Oct 6 at LSU
Sat Oct 20 at Kentucky
Sat Oct 27 Georgia
Sat Nov 3 Vanderbilt (HC)
Sat Nov 10 at South Carolina
Sat Nov 17 Florida Atlantic
Sat Nov 24 Florida State

Western Kentuky, Troy and Florida Atlantic. Are those even D-1 schools??? You're right, that's a tough shedule-not. Even if Florida goes undefeated they are going to need to dominate other ranked teams to get over these three jokes. Remember Auburn a few years ago??

USC's schedule

Sep. 1 Idaho
Sep. 15 at Nebraska
Sep. 22 Wash. St.
Sep. 29 at Washington
Oct. 6 Stanford
Oct. 13 Arizona
Oct. 20 at Notre Dame
Oct. 27 at Oregon
Nov. 3 Oregon State
Nov. 10 at California
Nov. 22 at Arizona State
Dec. 1 UCLA

1 non conference team.

Tennessee

Sept. 1 — at California
Sept. 8 — Southern Miss
Sept. 15 — at Florida
Sept. 22 — Northern Illinois
Sept. 29 — Central Florida
Oct. 6 — Georgia
Oct. 13 — at Miss. State
Oct. 20 — at Alabama
Oct. 27 — South Carolina
Nov. 10 — Arkansas
Nov. 17 — Vanderbilt
Nov. 24 — at Kentucky

Get's to play Northern Illinois and UCF oooohhhh. Oh, and guess what? The kick off game is against Cal, my alma mater.

And finally, your statement of you will take your smart school over ours every day, please tell me you are talking about football because I am certain you are not talking about academics.

So again, tell yourselves that the SEC is by far the best and the rest of us will wait and watch. Time is the true test and we will see where we end up.

Nice removal from the conversation eh?

Stats huh... those all look like offensive stats. Sure you have your little nimble West Coast offense out there, so you can run up some pretty numbers, but when you play a real team, you see how much a dominating defense changes everything. Remember your alma mater versus my school last year? Its like a Ferrari running into a brick wall. Sure, the car is sexy and puts up nice numbers, but at the end of the day, the brick wall always wins.

Seeing as you are a Cal graduate, I hope you didnt attend many football games. You need to look at USC's schedule and tell me how they have one non-conference opponent? I count 3, unless you chose to toss Idaho in the conference. The team in South Bend will have about the same chance of getting to a bowl game as the other schools in Indiana. You add on the easy teams in the league, and I would take that over most all SEC schools this year.

Auburn is a whole change of subject. I will bet everything I own on the fact that if Florida goes undefeated, they will play in the title game. They are ranked 2 right now I believe? Auburn started way back in the pack. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Looking at your school's schedule, how strong is it? You play a decent SEC school, but then who. Louisiana Tech and Colorado State? Not to mention the fact that you get to play the pushovers in your conference every year (I wish we could play the state oof Mississippii to pad our stats). I think The School for the Blind stands a better chance to put up a fight than half of Cal's schedule.

As for the smart schools, I was talking football. Vandy would destroy Stanford.

Look at it this way... I will give you your USC. They are good. They can play with anyone. But who else do you really have? If Washington won the Pac-10 title this year, would you be surprised? What if Georgia won the SEC... not so much.

Every team cant be good huh? Is that just because your conference cant field that many. The SEC sent 9 schools to a bowl last year... we won 6. And we didnt get beat by the traditional powerhouses of Hawaii and BYU.

Have you seen the top 25 this year? If memory serves, there are 5 SEC teams in the top 15. That means one third of the country's best teams, according to coachs, are in the Southeast. Pac-10 has what? 2? Heck, even the WAC should have 2 teams in the poll (Boise State and Hawaii). You want to call them the 'most dominating conference in college football?

Its OK, your misguided. We understand your excuses, but the truth is you have been lied to all your life. You just dont play the same kind of football on that side of the States. But thats OK. We like you still. You give us something to watch at night until Areana football comes on.

 

[MPR]

I changed my mind, I'll talk about it

Nice removal from the conversation eh?

Stats huh... those all look like offensive stats. Sure you have your little nimble West Coast offense out there, so you can run up some pretty numbers, but when you play a real team, you see how much a dominating defense changes everything.Similar to when Florida played Nebraska in the NC? What did they get beat by? 30-40 pts? I guess the SEC dominating defense forgot to show up Remember your alma mater versus my school last year? Its like a Ferrari running into a brick wall. Sure, the car is sexy and puts up nice numbers, but at the end of the day, the brick wall always wins. Just like when you played Penn State right? You hit the brick wall of Linebacker U. Oh, but let me hear your excuse...UT was too beat up from playing the other SEC teams even though your two prior games were played against two of the "bottomdwellers" Kentucky and Vandy

Seeing as you are a Cal graduate, I hope you didnt attend many football games. I did, I was on the field playing not in the stands watching You need to look at USC's schedule and tell me how they have one non-conference opponent? I count 3, unless you chose to toss Idaho in the conference.
This was my mistake, you can see by the time stamp it was late. I stand correctedThe team in South Bend will have about the same chance of getting to a bowl game as the other schools in Indiana. We will see where Notre Dame ends up. Notre Dame will almost always play in a bowl, becuase bowls are about money, not winning football.[/b ]You add on the easy teams in the league, and I would take that over most all SEC schools this year.

Auburn is a whole change of subject. I will bet everything I own on the fact that if Florida goes undefeated, they will play in the title game. They are ranked 2 right now I believe? Auburn started way back in the pack. You are comparing apples and oranges. Florida is ranked 3 behind USC and LSU. IF Florida goes undefeated they will play in the title game. That's a little obvious isn't it?? If USC goes undefeated I bet they will play in the title game. The key is going to be what will happen when more than two teams are undefeated. But there are no guarantees

Looking at your school's schedule, how strong is it? You play a decent SEC school, but then who. Louisiana Tech and Colorado State? Not to mention the fact that you get to play the pushovers in your conference every year (I wish we could play the state oof Mississippii to pad our stats). You do, they're called KU, VU, and SC I think The School for the Blind stands a better chance to put up a fight than half of Cal's schedule. I can't believe you said this. Thanks for the guffaw this morning. As if Tennessee is going to get high points in the difficulty of schedule catagory. Yes, let's talk easy schedules. UT plays Southern Miss, Northern Illinois, and UCF. PLUS, you end the season-again-with two rollover teams Kentucky and Vandy. But of course, you'll try to throw Vandy in there as an underdog because they spit out a decent quarterback right?

As for the smart schools, I was talking football. Vandy would destroy Stanford. Maybe, but they wouldn't destroy any of the other "smart" schools such as Cal, USC, and UCLA. Would you like to see the facts on where these schools stand in ranking to Vandy from an educational standpoint?? I have those stats.

Look at it this way... I will give you your USC. They are good. They can play with anyone. But who else do you really have? If Washington won the Pac-10 title this year, would you be surprised? What if Georgia won the SEC... not so much. That's like saying what if Kentucky won the SEC?? You can pick Washington but if Cal, UCLA, Oregon, won, no one would be that surprised, same thing with Georgia. No one would be that surprised if one of the top six teams in the SEC won the SEC. Just like no one would be surprised if any of the top four Pac10 teams won the Pac10. You have to remember that if USC remains undefeated, they will keep their #1 ranking. If another P10 team remains undefeated and beats USC, i.e. Cal, Then there is a very good chance they will play for the NC and they'll definitely be the Pa10 champs. It's no different if UT beat FL and went undefeated. Again, your arguement is full of holes.

Every team cant be good huh? Is that just because your conference cant field that many. The SEC sent 9 schools to a bowl last year... we won 6. And we didnt get beat by the traditional powerhouses of Hawaii and BYU. Anyone who knows jack about football knows that in this day and age, bowls outside of the BCS doesn't mean squat. It's a money machine, it has nothing to do with the quality of the teams. You want to throw Oregon and ASU out there, but you don't want to look in the mirror and see that S. Car. played Houston or Alabama played OkSU. Isn't that a little hypocritical?

Have you seen the top 25 this year? If memory serves, there are 5 SEC teams in the top 15. That means one third of the country's best teams, according to coachs are in the Southeast. Pac-10 has what? 2? The Pac10 has 3 teams in the top 25Heck, even the WAC should have 2 teams in the poll (Boise State and Hawaii). You want to call them the 'most dominating conference in college football?Where did I say the Pac10 was the most dominating conference in the country? Again I point out that anyone who knows football knows that the preseason polls mean squat. 2006 preseason rankings showed the highest SEC ranked team was LSU @ 5th. followed by AUB 7, FL 8, GA 11, SC 18, Ala 24. Pac10 Had USC 4, Oregon 13, Cal 17, UCLA 21. And as everyone knows, the season didn't end with any resemblance to this ranking. So according to the "preseason" polls-btw 2006 SEC 6 teams, Pac10 4 teams-top 25-you can't predict the end of the season. Polls don't mean squat until at least 4 weeks into the season. And I would stand by that if the Pac10 had 8 of the top 10 slots.

Its OK, your misguided. We understand your excuses, but the truth is you have been lied to all your life. You just dont play the same kind of football on that side of the States. That's right, they play Offensive football, that's playing to win. Have you ever heard of the "west coast offense"? They play that in the NFL too. But I've never heard of the NFL playing "SEC style defense". The game is about winning, you need points to win. But thats OK. We like you still. You give us something to watch at night until Areana football comes on.:no Don't lie to me now, if you were watching the Pac10, the epiphany of what good football is like may cause you to get over emotional. Don't worry, Tennesse still has a great womans' basketball team

 

[bayou68]

Guys, guys. guys. I think the conversation has gotten a little heated. All of these discussions are merely academic because LSU is gonna whip everyone's rear this year!!! I personally think other teams and conferences are great- they give us someone to dominate. GEAUX TIGERS!!

 

[MPR]

I thought we were just having a friendly conversation. Ironically, I was driving through Gainesville today on my way to Blue Grotto, and when I finished diving, the restaurant we ate at had ESPN U on one of the TV's and what was playing?? The 2006 Aub-Fla game.
Ironic.