200 Bar or 300Bar Din??

[Dive4Life]

Waiting for them to arrive. I'm throwing them on Al 80's and in Miami there is absolutely no problem getting them filled.

 

[matt_unique]

If i am not mistaking HP tanks use a 7/8" thread unless you are talking about the PST E7 and E8 series tanks which use the 3/4" thread.

This article clarifies the difference between the 7/8 and 3/4 reference. These do not refer to the width of the opening rather the "thread standard".

>>Cylinder Neck Threads and SCUBA Valves
Valves attach to the neck of the SCUBA cylinder using one of two types of straight screw threads. Screw threads date back to the third century. For a few centuries everyone did their own thing regarding screw threads. As you might imagine, by the nineteenth century, interchangeability was non-existant. With the first World War, the American National thread form was established so that war materials could be more easily manufactured. With the second World War, the American National thread form had interchangeability problems with the Whitworth form of Great Britain. Thus the United States and Great Britian (and Canada) agreed upon a Unified thread form that would allow better interchangeability. The point of this history lesson is there are TWO different thread form standards.
Still, the most common thread form used with SCUBA cylinders and valves is the American National Standard Free-Fitting Straight Mechanical Pipe Thread also known as NPS. The specific thread form used with most SCUBA cylinders is named 0.750-14 NPS, often referred to as "3/4 NPS."

When Pressed Steel Tank Company began manufacturing the modern 3500 psi service pressure SCUBA cylinder, they elected to use a more modern thread form for the neck opening known as Unified National Standard Fine. The specific thread form used with the steel 3500 psi SCUBA cylinder is named 0.875-16 UNF, often referred to as "7/8 UNF."

It's very important to understand that the 3/4 and 7/8 slang descriptions do NOT indicate relative sizes of the physical dimensions of the opening! This is because the two thread forms are from two different standards. The 3/4 NPS opening is visibly larger than the 7/8 UNF opening.

Until recently, it worked as follows: "High-Pressure" steel SCUBA cylinders (i.e., 3500 psi) were manufactured with the smaller 7/8 UNF threaded openings, and all other steel and aluminum SCUBA Tanks were manufactured with larger 3/4 NPS threaded openings. Then in 2003, Pressed Steel Tank Company introduced their new high-pressure 3442 psi E-series cylinders, and they elected to revert to the 3/4 NPS threaded opening. So now there are two different high-pressure steel SCUBA Tanks in wide use, the older 3500 psi cylinders with 7/8 UNF threaded opening and the newer 3442 psi cylinders with 3/4 NPS threaded opening.

So how do you figure out what you have? Look at the SCUBA Tank neck for the DOT stamp. If it reads DOT-3AL it's an aluminum cylinder with 3/4 NPS threaded neck opening. If it reads DOT-3AA-XXXX where the XXXX is any number from 2400 up to and including 3442, it's a steel cylinder also with 3/4 NPS threaded opening. If the XXXX value is 3500, it's a steel cylinder with a 7/8 UNF threaded opening. Another test, if the valve is out of the cylinder, is that a U.S. quarter coin will fit through the 3/4 NPS cylinder neck opening but will not fit through the 7/8 UNF opening. By the way, if it's not a SCUBA Tank, all bets are off; it will have some other neck opening threading which is incompatible with 3/4 NPS and 7/8 UNF.

One important caution regarding thread compatibility. Outside the United States, particularly in Europe and Australia, a widely used SCUBA Tank neck thread form is known as M22. The NPS and M22 threads are very similar but not identical; it's possible to inadvertently mate cylinders and valves with these two different forms. However, when the cylinders are filled to working pressure, the different threads may not hold, causing the valve and cylinder to separate with dangerously explosive force. For this reason, it is unwise to transport NPS threaded valves outside of the U.S. or to bring international M22 threaded valves into the U.S.
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