DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?

[Wibble]

I think it would be a fair assumption that GUE would limit a full boat charter to GUE divers and expect them to follow GUE procedures, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. If GUE is going through the logistics of chartering the full boat, why shouldn't we limit it to divers that are going to be well-trained teammates for other divers on the boat? At least in Seattle, it's not like we lack enough GUE divers to fill a charter.

Just fill any spare spaces with independent divers.

Cheaper for everyone

 

[OrcasC205]

Just fill any spare spaces with independent divers.

Cheaper for everyone

We're more likely here to have a waiting list for GUE divers than any spare spaces.

 

[PfcAJ]

Last time me and the homies chartered a boat it was just us so we make our own rules. But we didn’t have to make any rules because everyone is just inherently squared away.

That’s the cool thing about having a private charter. No randos.

 

[ginti]

Well, if your friends would use a pre-dive checklist as they're supposed to. They wouldn't need the buddy to remind him.
You can call a closed o2 tank a buddy/no buddy related issue, fair enough. I'd call it being a little too sloppy and maybe not taking rebreather diving seriously enough. Not doing a checklist is hard to just forget. Here is see bad attitude as the issue.

I tried to answer you politely, but you need to read what I wrote if you want to keep the discussion. Citing myself:

First, let me be clear. I do not think that the lack of a buddy has ever been the primary cause of death. On the contrary, the primary causes of death were ALWAYS some others. Can we agree on this one?

However, I am saying that the buddy system can mitigate the fatality rate, and therefore it is not a bad system or a placebo.

So, again, I agree with you: being without a buddy would not be the primary reason for death in such cases. But it would mitigate risk and fatality rates - in other words, it isn't a placebo, again.

 

[mariosx]

they're a dive rite dealer now

As a GUE diver I am forbidden to touch or even think (nevermind typing) other gear manufacturers. Everybody knows that GUE divers can only get in H gear.
I mean people say that so confidently in the forum... How come they could be wrong?

 

[berndo]

... But it would mitigate risk and fatality rates - in other words, it isn't a placebo, again.

That's your opinion, you don't know that. The reality is that, over the years, you'll likely dive with good divers and with bad once. The bad once are a liability. If you think diving with a buddy is inherently safer than solo we have a placebo situation. In the first example Litehedded posted, the victim might still be around if he had planned the buddy dive as if it was solo.

As I said, having only good buddies on every dive is the ideal situation but not realistic for most people unless you live in Florida maybe and only dive very few people. Many people are useless as buddies when they film or take pictures and in that case they're also placebos.
I used work as an instructor and guide and on many days I would have been much safer by myself.

BTW: Your friends should really use a check list. That was not a throwaway comment. Not using a checklist and 'more than once' forgetting to open the o2' is nuts. I dive solo sometimes but I sure as hell wouldn't dive with people who don't take stuff like this seriously.

 

[girlwithbigtanks]

That sounds totally fair to me. GUE should be able to invite anyone they want on their charter.

Same goes for me..... I have my own boat up here in the Puget Sound and I choose who goes and who doesn't.

But I guess that brings up another subject that a Non-Gue diver might be interested in knowing about.....which is the topic of this thread!

If GUE Charters a full boat, do they only allow GUE divers, GUE equipment configs and GUE compliance?

No they don’t. I joined a GUE resort weekend landbased boat dive trip , in Sidemount and my instAbuddy had single BM with SM ccr. Everyone was awesome, i had never dove with my instabuddy before. I had a great weekend of diving, super easy to dial in. Instabuddy tech 1. Moi fundies tec pass for fun.

 

[NW Dive Dawg]

So since the entire point of this thread is to discuss why Non GUE divers are are curious about what GUE divers do.......I'm still curious......

What happens if a certified GUE diver does not comply with the GUE "way" and another GUE diver becomes aware of it. Do they file some kind of report...or turn in and rat out the non-compliant diver? Does GUE take away your certification or your "merit badge" or otherwise disavow you from the organization?

Just asking because as far as I know, if a PADI, NAUI or SDI, etc... diver ( not instructor) doesn't want to dive within recommended agency standards........ then the organization or other divers within that organization really don't care.....other than thay may choose to not dive with that person.

Thank god that I have my own boat and can just dive my way.

Last but not least, I dive mainly just because it's FUN and my hope is that the majority of GUE divers feel the same!!!!

 

[LiteHedded]

I been gone from scubaboard for a while. But this entire thread used to be against the rules. What happened to Lamont?

 

[PfcAJ]

So since the entire point of this thread is to discuss why Non GUE divers are are curious about what GUE divers do.......I'm still curious......

What happens if a certified GUE diver does not comply with the GUE "way" and another GUE diver becomes aware of it. Do they file some kind of report...or turn in and rat out the non-compliant diver? Does GUE take away your certification or your "merit badge" or otherwise disavow you from the organization?

Just asking because as far as I know, if a PADI, NAUI or SDI, etc... diver ( not instructor) doesn't want to dive within recommended agency standards........ then the organization or other divers within that organization really don't care.....other than thay may choose to not dive with that person.

Thank god that I have my own boat and can just dive my way.

Last but not least, I dive mainly just because it's FUN and my hope is that the majority of GUE divers feel the same!!!!

No. No one really cares. There’s no mechanism to revoke someone’s cert. at least not that I’m aware of. There are plenty of dudes who for whatever reason don’t dive the GUE way from time to time. That’s not necessarily bad.

But..

If you make poor judgements I might individually decide not to dive with you. But Idgaf what your cert agency is. And collectively you might find that a lot of people don’t want to dive with you. Again, agency irrespective.