Dive Master gear set up

[Josefson]

to reidify what others have said.. for the sake of the students, i begin teaching in a "standard" reg set for demonstration purposes. but by the time we are in open water i am using my long hose again and the students get a chance to see some diversity and customization of gear.
btw my bp/w is easy todo ALL of the drills in, and even my students uss them without difficulty.

U used the long hose on the first device? And also a bungee on the second dev.?

 

[ChuckP]

I just completed the PADI DM course in a Hydros Pro with an Air2 setup. I added a standard safe second so that it looked more like what the students were using but did not change out my AI computer. I did mine in a tad over two weeks with some extra dive leading in there as I'm going back for the three month instructor class.

About halfway thru my course, I wished I had brought my jacket BC with me too. Here's an old mans take on what you are about to do:

1) A PADI divemaster can teach DSD, DLD, and reactivates (with technicalities) The DSD is real basic, the student will be in rental gear and it'd be way better if you didn't confuse them by showing them something different then they are using - IMO

2) If you're doing a 3 month intern, I'm betting you're gonna be the dog helping instructors during any classes - it's a big part of helping you learn more towards the being an actual instructor. It's a huge benefit in wearing what the students are wearing plus, the right jacket BC has all sorts of spaces for you to stash wet notes and your slates that you'll constantly be referring to. This is all referring to pool work, but maybe even use the jacket when you do the first few OW dives with the students.

3) You'll be doing a lot of diving, leading and learning how to lead - most of those divers will probably be knowledgeable and you really want to be in your comfort zone. You want to look sharp and not breathe, cause it's damn embarassing flopping your arms around and being the one that ends the dive cause your low on air. When you're in the open water, dive what you're most comfortable in, whatever the rig may be.

4) Now maybe you're superman but I ain't - you got a 400m swim that only the Lord can help you with. The 800m swim is with fins - find superman fins, big SOB's, something that'll make you fly! The 200m tired diver tow, use them big fins here too and find yourself a deco bottle, oh my body woulda loved 100% here but I did it on air. The 15 minute tread water, learn to float - we couldn't use a wet suit but my dive shorts are 1mil, anything helps. I held my hands out of the water the last six minutes begging for some credit on the 400m but didn't get it.....

5) Equipment exchange under water - think that thru and have a plan with your partner. Be way over weighted, or at least make sure your partners BC isn't gonna cause you to go positive, you want to be planted on the bottom. You want your BC to come off easy and your partner has to get it back on. Take your time and follow your plan.

6) The rescue diver portion, when you bring a non breathing diver to the side of the pool. Sometimes you get out of your BC doing this - it's easier sometimes if your shoulder straps will un clip just the same as the diver you are helping, it's easier to get them out if you un clip and sink their BC away.

Basically I'm saying, have two rigs - one for pool and open water diving with students, the second one for real diving. Practice practice practice your 24 skills, get them demonstration quality, take your time doing them, do them like you are showing a new student.

 

[TMHeimer]

If I may add some perspective.

With OW students ( and I one centre I teach uses BP/W the other Jackets) I use gear that is similar to teh students. Yes three are differences (no cumberbund on my Jacket and longer than normal Alt hose) but none are obvious.

I don't' want to over whelm them by explaining my gear, when there's is still alien and new to them.

I will so little differences, perhaps the way I stow my SPG or how I clip off my Alt, but that's it. I want them to learn from me so teach teh skills in the way they need to perform them.

When we move to AoW or Con Ed, then I will introduce other gear. perhaps my BP/W or explain why my normal regs have 2 x 40" hoses with the Alt coming under my left shoulder.

When we get to rescue, I'll get them to master the skills first in a Jacket (even if they wear a BP/W) then we can move to showing or using a BP/W and I might even throw in my Side mount - just so they can understand different techniques.

So you're right, there is value in exposign divers to other equipment styles if they're interested - the majority of divers aren't gear heads and don't care much.

But the important thing is timing i.e when to introduce further and additional information in a way that doesn't overload them nor detract from their learning.

Hope that helps.

Agree on all points. Also agree with Bowers in that it's fine to use your own/different gear on the OW dives. The basics have already been taught, save for a couple of skills.

 

[mainedvr]

G´day

Of course I made alrdy my research in this forum ;-) But did not get a 100% clear answer.

In december I start my DM course for 3 month.
I have my own gear, but in a tech set up. Harness with Donut from Finnfly, main regulator with 2m hose, backup with neck wrist (all in black) beuchat iceberg.

According to my instructor, my gear/set up has to follow the padi standarts. So I tried to figure out what are the "padi standarts". Also wrote an email to padi itself. They answered me to ask the diveshop cuz they are no specific standarts.

So far I know, they most recommend a bcd jacket, not a harness. I know the differences, but don´t feel like buying a new jacket just for the course itself.

Can I do all tests with the harness? BC remove, exchange etc

Do I need to get a yellow hose for the backup regulator?

also heard from many DM to use rental gear when doing exercise in the pool. My instructor wont let me use the rental gear so far...

Someone can explain me what are the padi standard equip set ups?


Thanks anyway and best regards
David

When I did my Instructor Exam we had folks in BPW, SM, and then your standard OW configurations. PADI seemed to encourage it so I don't think the standard they are setting is by PADI but their own. IMHO
Myself I use a standard OW set up with for the pool to demo the skills this way it at least looks like what the student has typically and makes it easier in my opinion for them to learn it. When we hit OW I dive my normal BPW and hose configuration. Hope this helps.

 

[Landau]

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4) Now maybe you're superman but I ain't - you got a 400m swim that only the Lord can help you with. The 800m swim is with fins - find superman fins, big SOB's, something that'll make you fly!

Besides the Lord. any decent swim coach or instructor can help you with the 400 swim.

And bigger fins aren't necessarily better for everyone. I'm faster in my Scubapro Go's than my much larger Mares Avanti Quatros. I'm an ex-competitive swimmer and do better with faster kick cycle. I'm not very muscular but I've got enduance and broke 11 minute for the 800m snorkel gear swim - at age 55. So you might want to experiment with differnt fins to see which work best for you.

 

[ChuckP]

Besides the Lord. any decent swim coach or instructor can help you with the 400 swim.

And bigger fins aren't necessarily better for everyone. I'm faster in my Scubapro Go's than my much larger Mares Avanti Quatros. I'm an ex-competitive swimmer and do better with faster kick cycle. I'm not very muscular but I've got enduance and broke 11 minute for the 800m snorkel gear swim - at age 55. So you might want to experiment with differnt fins to see which work best for you.

I’m 52, I own a landscape company but still work. It’s not a big deal to handle 10k lbs of block before lunch and it wasn’t many years ago I could work any young kid into tears.

I thought I was in shape, but oh was I wrong. The physical part of the course was the hardest for me. Mentally, nothing in the world will ever stop me, I’ll never give up or quit, ever.

Sub 11 minute 800 meter, heck yes! I was like low 13 if I remember right lol. Smoking and scuba do not go together......

 

[Bowers]

U used the long hose on the first device? And also a bungee on the second dev.?

yes, 7' primary with a 24" secondary on a necklace.

 

[Divenut1959]

I just completed the PADI DM course in a Hydros Pro with an Air2 setup. I added a standard safe second so that it looked more like what the students were using but did not change out my AI computer. I did mine in a tad over two weeks with some extra dive leading in there as I'm going back for the three month instructor class.

About halfway thru my course, I wished I had brought my jacket BC with me too. Here's an old mans take on what you are about to do:

1) A PADI divemaster can teach DSD, DLD, and reactivates (with technicalities) The DSD is real basic, the student will be in rental gear and it'd be way better if you didn't confuse them by showing them something different then they are using - IMO

2) If you're doing a 3 month intern, I'm betting you're gonna be the dog helping instructors during any classes - it's a big part of helping you learn more towards the being an actual instructor. It's a huge benefit in wearing what the students are wearing plus, the right jacket BC has all sorts of spaces for you to stash wet notes and your slates that you'll constantly be referring to. This is all referring to pool work, but maybe even use the jacket when you do the first few OW dives with the students.

3) You'll be doing a lot of diving, leading and learning how to lead - most of those divers will probably be knowledgeable and you really want to be in your comfort zone. You want to look sharp and not breathe, cause it's damn embarassing flopping your arms around and being the one that ends the dive cause your low on air. When you're in the open water, dive what you're most comfortable in, whatever the rig may be.

4) Now maybe you're superman but I ain't - you got a 400m swim that only the Lord can help you with. The 800m swim is with fins - find superman fins, big SOB's, something that'll make you fly! The 200m tired diver tow, use them big fins here too and find yourself a deco bottle, oh my body woulda loved 100% here but I did it on air. The 15 minute tread water, learn to float - we couldn't use a wet suit but my dive shorts are 1mil, anything helps. I held my hands out of the water the last six minutes begging for some credit on the 400m but didn't get it.....

5) Equipment exchange under water - think that thru and have a plan with your partner. Be way over weighted, or at least make sure your partners BC isn't gonna cause you to go positive, you want to be planted on the bottom. You want your BC to come off easy and your partner has to get it back on. Take your time and follow your plan.

6) The rescue diver portion, when you bring a non breathing diver to the side of the pool. Sometimes you get out of your BC doing this - it's easier sometimes if your shoulder straps will un clip just the same as the diver you are helping, it's easier to get them out if you un clip and sink their BC away.

Basically I'm saying, have two rigs - one for pool and open water diving with students, the second one for real diving. Practice practice practice your 24 skills, get them demonstration quality, take your time doing them, do them like you are showing a new student.

May I ask what your time was for the 400M and 800M endurance tests? Thanks

 

[ChuckP]

I think the 400m was like 14 minutes, only got 1 point and knew that one was my real problem one.

The 800m was 16:40??, 3 points

Both those swims were halfway with and halfway against the current in Cozumel

3:40 in the 100m tow, 3 points - no current

I just seen he only gave me four points for the float, I literally had my hands out of the water the last six minutes.....

 

[mmerriman]

I think the 400m was like 14 minutes, only got 1 point and knew that one was my real problem one.

The 800m was 16:40??, 3 points

Both those swims were halfway with and halfway against the current in Cozumel

3:40 in the 100m tow, 3 points - no current

I just seen he only gave me four points for the float, I literally had my hands out of the water the last six minutes.....

4 on the tread? Not possible. I'd challenge that -

Exercise 2: 15-minute Tread
Tread water, drown-proof, bob or float using no aids and
wearing only a swimsuit for 15 minutes, with hands (not
arms) out of the water during the last two minutes.
Exceptions: A candidate with a physical impairment that makes it difficult/
impossible to hold hands out of the water is exempted from that
portion of the exercise with no effect on the score.

Criteria Score
Performed satisfactorily 5
Stayed afloat, but hands not out of 3
water the entire two minutes
Used side/bottom for momentary 1
support no more than twice
Used side/bottom for support incomplete
more than twice