12 boys lost in flooded Thai cave

[boulderjohn]

The whole world is watching this incident, so it is not surprising that ScubaBoard is watching it and commenting upon it.

 

[SailorJoe]

You guys are right. A lot of ideas are being brought forward. This is referred to as "creative tension", which is GOOD. These translate into potential resources in a rescue toolbox. As each day progresses, I'm convinced the team on the ground is making the right moves to the best of their ability. We're seeing increased resources every day.

Fingers crossed for the best outcome.

 

[Saniflush]

The whole world is watching this incident, so it is not surprising that ScubaBoard is watching it and commenting upon it.

I thought Scubaboard WAS the whole world?

 

[Lorenzoid]

The people who know the most about cave rescues seem to be the most reluctant to speculate.

 

[MikeyIdea]

@MikeyIdea I think you are reading too much into what I wrote. My only point was that it did not appear that the Thai Navy SEALS were cave divers, and that there were very experienced cave divers and rescuers on scene, so hoped that they would take their experience into consideration. THAT'S IT! If you think I said anything other than that, that's on you, not me.

It is good that "...Chiang Rai governor Narongsak Osottanakorn... also navigated the very same cave all the way to the end already 25 years ago, during the dry season." I'm sure that is very admirable, but did that make him an experienced cave diver and rescuer?

It is also good that "he's got 4! bachelor degrees and a master degree from the US". I have 2 bachelor's and 2 master's degrees. So what? I'd suggest to you that neither of us are any better qualified to rescue those boys based on our degrees.

I wrote many words but still missed the main points I suppose...

I listen to the Thai news so I don't get information distorted by translations. Both the governor and the Thai Navy seals do listen carefully to the cave experts, the experts still control this operation, through the governor, but for how long? The main point in this area is that they will all just be puppets because politics will take over sooner or later.

The point with the governors very good performance this far and his education is simply that he obviously is intelligent and knows what he knows and more importantly, he knows what he doesn't know.

This rescue operation has been lucky this far. The military is in power and that's the main reason Thailand officially asked for help from the BCRC so quickly, Thai politicians would have waited longer. The governor turned out to be a really efficient leader. It could have been one of the tough, selfish and self-loving politicians

 

[Dan]

From what I have read, two of the reasons that drilling isn’t the first option is that (1) the heavy equipment needs something strong, flat and stable to stand on to work, so they’d need to build a concrete road or platform to put it on, (2) the chamber where the boys are is very small and not safe to drill into (my guess is they’re afraid of collapse).

You’ll be amazed how much force a dome can hold. That’s the reason why many bridges have arch support. The weight of materials above the arch would be compressed & supported each other and direct all of the forces from above down to a point (if the dome is perfectly spherical) inside the dome. That’s the reason why dome wall can be made much thinner than a flat wall to withstand the same force acted on to that flat wall.

I think they are still working on such rescue option. It’s good to have the options going in parallel anyway. Who knows the hole can be drilled in less than 4 months.

 

[KevinNM]

The people who know the most about cave rescues seem to be the most reluctant to speculate.

There have not been that many successful cave rescues. Not sure there have been any that are as complex as this situation with the number of people, the multiple sumps, the ongoing flooding, etc. it pretty amazing they were found alive at all.

 

[xmass-Eve]

There are so many new articles in newspapers all around the world, so you don't know which one is right and which one just one to have a "breaking Fake story". Anyway, a belgian newspaper states that the boys are running out of oxygen and they are below 15%. O2 bottles would be brought in for help.

 

[Jack Hammer]

The people who know the most about cave rescues seem to be the most reluctant to speculate.

Actually those are the ones who's comments get dismissed and ignored amongst a flood of well intended silly ideas from folks with no ideas about the logistics of their 'simple' solutions.

 

[Dan]

There are so many new articles in newspapers all around the world, so you don't know which one is right and which one just one to have a "breaking Fake story". Anyway, a belgian newspaper states that the boys are running out of oxygen and they are below 15%. O2 bottles would be brought in for help.

... and what do you think? Why haven’t any other newspapers supporting such news?

04/02/2007 - Clarification of OSHA's requirement for breathing air to have at least 19.5 percent oxygen content. | Occupational Safety and Health Administration

“...Concentrations of 12 to 16 percent oxygen cause tachypnea (increased breathing rates), tachycardia (accelerated heartbeat), and impaired attention, thinking, and coordination (e.g., Ex. 25-4), even in people who are resting.”

Does the kids in the YouTubes videos show such symptoms?

Why would the medical doctor on site who examined them, rate the kids medical situation as “green”, meaning they are in good healthy condition?

What sort of air analysis are done by the Belgian newspaper to support such claim?