Anti ScubaPro bias?

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Gear is generally good or very good. I only buy their gear used. A poor value to buy new.

Likewise. I've enjoyed their regs, bcds and flippers.

What I dislike is their marketing tactics, lifetime warranty scam, retail cost and aesthetic modification gimmicks.

If I had 2,000$ to spend on gear at retail prices, I'd spend the money elsewhere, great options outlined above.

Cherry picking their gear on the used market and servicing them myself, no complaints.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
I have a mother lode of SP regulators, most picked up off the used market for pennies on the dollar or clearance of discontinued models. The few purchased-new pieces I have were from "back in the day" (1990's), and I too got hosed on the FPFL program cleansing..... Not worth re-outfitting, but I won't buy new ScubaPro ever again.

Thankfully, I have sourced service kits when I need them from various places. No, the cost is usually no bargain, but the frequency of necessary service (I have gone 3-5 years) isn't really too painful as I do my own work so labor is free. FWIW, even HOG kits are costly.....

Really a "love-hate" relationship for me.....

YMMV
 
Puhleez. Go check the new Atomics BCD pricing. Not even close.
Seriously - they completely missed the market with that one. Who'd pay that for a jacket? :rofl3:
 
I have noticed that there is a huge bias against ScubaPro among divers. Is it just because it costs more?

ScubaPro are masters of marketing, and they create the perception that there exists a continuum of {low price,low quality} to {high price,high quality} scuba equipment, and then position their brand in the minds of the retail buyer at the {high price,high quality} point. They do this by using a sophisticated, common design language among their products so that they are readily recognizable as ScubaPro and appear to be part of a unified product offering, carefully differentiating their of their products from competitors, and through advertising that simultaneously emphasizes the relevance of equipment to safety and the Rolex-like nature of the ScubaPro brand as something that the affluent diver should aspire to.

In general, ScubaPro equipment is high quality and highly fashionable. The rest is pure bunkum.

And yes, there are problems with ScubaPro gear other than price. The first problem, alluded to upthread, is that they intentionally limit the size of their dealer network which complicates efforts to find parts and service, especially in areas where there aren't a lot of dive shops. The second problem is that some of their efforts to differentiate their products actually reduce usefulness, with the best example being their GALILEO 2 which is quirky and does not follow the well-established expectations set by the the Shearwater computers that are the market leaders.

I would think that diving equipment would not be something one would want to save money on.

More expensive gear does not make a safer diver. Gear failures have an extremely minor role in the accident history and there is no evidence to suggest that any brand is safer or that more expensive brands as a whole are safer than less expensive brands. Accident history is difficult to interpret, but the best available data would suggest that most of the equipment-related fatalities are due to BC problems, not breathing air equipment as many would expect.

Enjoy the journey
 
all bought new at retail price? would you do it again?
They were all bought many years ago, they have proven bullet proof. I have no reason to second guess my purchases, they have performed admirably, can you say the same of all of your purchases?
 
They were all bought many years ago, they have all proven bullet proof. I have no reason to second guess my purchases, they have all performed admirably, can you say the same of all of your purchases?

I'm not asking you to second guess them. I'm asking if you were just starting now, given all the options on the market, would you buy those same regulators at their current retail prices. No one has questioned their quality/performance, hell a bunch of us including myself have come out saying we own a bunch. I have a dozen? I use them on basically all of my diving *unless I'm diving double hose*, but that has no bearing on whether I would ever recommend someone buy them new at retail price *which I wouldn't*
 

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