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Bingo

From the pictures I see of "tec divers", they dive with their hands folded in front of them. That is great in that it allows them to check their SPG, perform drills, switch tanks or whatever.

But I always have something in my hands. Always. I don't dive to just dive.

Being able to glance and check tank pressure while doing things with my hands out in front of me anyways is great.

Since Shearwater is watching this thread, I will add my perspective as a recreational diving photographer. I use a "two handed" DSLR photo rig. I also dive a hogarthian long hose rig with a clipped off spg, along with my AI computer (Galileo Sol). Having gas info on my wrist is invaluable, as compared to holding my heavy camera rig in one hand, unclipping the spg, checking it, and re-clipping it. That sounds like no big deal but before I hear "equipment solution to a skill problem", try it at 130' in a strong current dealing with the photo rig! In fact, I view AI as a valuable safety factor in that regard, and more than just a convenience. It is a real, tangible, valuable benefit that I desire and why I have not taken the step of buying a Shearwater yet.

As for your other questions, I dont (and don't know anyone and I dive with an advanced crowd including some tech divers) who uses "rock bottom" for rec diving. That being said, my computer allows me to set a "surface reserve" which is the amount of gas that will be in my tank when I reach the surface. It also has a predictive gas usage algorithm, which will tell me to begin my ascent at the pressure which will assure I arrive at the surface with the set reserve, including my predicted gas consumption through the ascent and safety stop. I have found this to be very accurate at least the way Scubapro has implemented it. Thus, my "surface reserve" is the amount of gas available for my buddy if needed during an ascent at the end of a dive. While not as formal as "rock bottom" I can set the reserve at whatever I want, so if I want a cushion, I can set it at 1000, say, on a deep dive. Of course, I will get sent up early by doing this. For dives up to 90' I leave it set for 600, which is enough to get a buddy to the surface in a true emergency OOG situation (which will be faster that usual and not include the safety stop).

If you do "rock bottom" you can set the computer to give a warning at your calculated surfacing pressure or any other turn pressure you want.

As for real time SAC, my remaining gas time is all calculated in real time based on change in tank pressure over time. So, it is, effectively, "real time" SAC calculation during the dive, but translated and displayed as useful information regarding remaining dive time. If you are working hard, the computer automatically takes this into account in its prediction. No mental calculation necessary during the dive.

Such a feature would be essential on any computer I get. I was going to look at the Liquvision Omnix, but posters here have indicated it does not have this feature. That makes it a no-go for me.

My computer also offers buddy air monitoring. My buddy and I can program our computers to read each other's transmitters. A button push during the dive brings up your buddy's gas supply. However, I don't use this much as we usually do a mutual gas check 2 or three times during the dive. Also, because my computer (like most) uses rf transmission, you have to be within 4 or 5 feet of your buddy's transmitter to get the reading from them. So, it is a handy feature, but not necessary.

However, Liquivision uses ultrasonic transmission, which they say is good over pretty long distances, and offers an option to display buddy gas on the main dive screen. This would greatly increase the utility of this feature if it is effective, but I would not trade buddy air monitoring for an effective predictive gas use algorithm.

So, that is my take on why AI is a desirable feature for both basic and advanced rec divers. Hopefully, it offers tech divers some insight into why this feature is so popular and so useful to their rec compadres.
 
Bingo

From the pictures I see of "tec divers", they dive with their hands folded in front of them. That is great in that it allows them to check their SPG, perform drills, switch tanks or whatever.

But I always have something in my hands. Always. I don't dive to just dive.

Being able to glance and check tank pressure while doing things with my hands out in front of me anyways is great.

Crap. Absolute crap.

I dive in caves. I dig open underwater caves. This may involve setting underwater charges, setting up scaffolding, moving boulders, drilling, hammer and chiselling, you name it, we do it.

We don't need AI.

As for your "heavy camera rig". Jill Heinarth doesn't use AI. This is because she's made her rig close to neutral, like any real underwater documenter does.

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AJ:
Did not do deco. Nowhere near it. Multiple ascents = yes, really a lot while photographing. Ascent rate violations = yes, according to the D4. Not as I'am and the Petrel were aware off, but it may have happened. Maybe my diving behavior triggered the Suunto to do this, you could be right about that. Anyway, I trust(ed) my Petrel then and was only using my D4i as backup. Don't even do that anymore.

BTW, this happened over a year ago. At the time my skills were not that good, a bit rough so to say. I have become much more carefull and in contol (GUE training) on ascends these days. Maybe the Suunto would not lock me out anymore, but I like the Petrel so much I have no more use for the D4i anymore.

I have never seen any Suunto lock the decompression algorithm unless the diver remained above the decompression ceiling for more than 3 minutes. I have seen the algorithm lock when the computer is accidentally put into gauge mode and the dive started before that was noticed.

This is a Petrel thread so I won't continue talking about Suunto. I own and use a Petrel and it is a great computer. This new model looks great also!


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...//... I dive in caves. I dig open underwater caves. This may involve setting underwater charges, setting up scaffolding, moving boulders, drilling, hammer and chiselling, you name it, we do it.
Allow me a quick hijack, if you would.

You're the guy, been waiting for the chance to ask someone like you a question.

I've been DYING to ask how you guys explore "unreachable" portions of a cave. Do you cull for "unbendables" or is there some other secret?
...//... We don't need AI.
Yeah, that would be kinda funny.

But not at all funny on the recreational side of the diving world. I appreciate AI as a valid want/need in the rec world. Different strokes...
 
I have never seen any Suunto lock the decompression algorithm unless the diver remained above the decompression ceiling for more than 3 minutes. I have seen the algorithm lock when the computer is accidentally put into gauge mode and the dive started before that was noticed.
Well, mine did. Had other weird behaviour also after that. Maybe pressure sensor problem? Think it's to throw it in the bin, cause I don't want to spend any money on repairs.

This is a Petrel thread so I won't continue talking about Suunto. I own and use a Petrel and it is a great computer. This new model looks great also!
Totally agree. I love my Petrel 1. When I am in need for a new computer the only question will be: Petrel 2 or Perdix :D
 
Maybe what would satisfy photographers is not an "AI recreational computer" but a "photographer's computer" that displays information on the screen of the camera!

Maybe if a diver's normal mode is to have something so unwieldy in his hands the whole dive that it hampers his ability to use his hands, read his gauges, etc., that is in a sense not a recreational dive. It raises some special considerations.
 
Maybe if it hampers the divers ability to use their hands. They shouldn't be using it.


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I don't get the need to "glance at my wrist", I just glance down at the gauge clipped to my left chest ring.... look ma, no hands! :D

FWIW - I don't "need" it, I am unsure if I "want" it, but those that do, have at it.

Its a big ocean, plenty of room to share.

Enjoy your dives!
 
Dive whatever way you like, just don't pretend it's essential.


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Maybe what would satisfy photographers is not an "AI recreational computer" but a "photographer's computer" that displays information on the screen of the camera!

Minor tangent, but would be very useful. A computer that could sync wirelessly with the camera, which would need an app. of some sort on it, could be useful to include the depth each photo was taken (in the EXIF data). This would be good for general info., and might even let the camera, or post-processing software, run an automated white balance correction.

Richard.
 

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