just got a bp/w , best solution for octo?

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Hey guys, just picked up an Apeks 18 lb wing and ss back plate, d rings are configured typically as instructed. What's convention have to say about this and my aas / octo mounting? I dive a 100cu al and wet suit.. I believe it's a 48" inch hose on my aas / octo. Should I just O ring a dog clip [to the hose] on the chest / shoulder d ring ? ( break away?)
 
I'm sure you'll get lots of answers but I'll stick with......put the octo on a bungee necklace, with a 22" hose, choose a 40" hose or long hose (5' or 7') for your primary and tie a bolt snap to it. You've taken a sensible step on the BP/W....take the next step.....


Oh.....is the wing for tropics or local diving? If cold water, is 18# going to be enough with a SS backplate and wetsuit?

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Very balanced set I was using it on the ae vickery in the st Lawrence last weekend. I highly recommend it to anyone that can use it reliably.

Local diving, nearly year round with a solafx.

I like your suggestion and I think that's what I'm gonna configure as. I've been reading about similar configured set ups I think related to the GUE stuff? I like the idea of having the secondary as close to go position as possible.
 
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You have to decide if you wish to do a long hose rig or a conventional rig?

Long hose rig - where you breath the PRIMARY second stage on the longest hose which routes under your arm and around your back on a 60 inch or 72 inch hose (sometimes a 40 routed simply under the arm) and the SECONDARY is fitted to a 22 to 26 inch hose over the shoulder and is equipped with a necklace. You donate to the OOA diver your PRIMARY and you switch to the SECONDARY. Usually both second stages are otherwise identical. This is typical rigging of many technical trained divers especially if they do overhead penetrations because the long hose affords single file escape from narrow passages.

or;

Conventional octopus rig - where you breath a PRIMARY that is routed over the shoulder on a 24 to 30 inch hose and a so called OCTOPUS is routed under the arm on a 36 to 44 inch hose (usually yellow) and is generally clipped with a break away release (though it may be necklaced with a QR knot). You donate to the OOA diver the OCTOPUS and you retain your PRIMARY. Generally both second stages are not the same (though they can be). Most common and most popular and taught to 96% plus of all divers including probably to you.

There is another set of variations;

Integrated power inflator as octopus - You breath a PRIMARY routed over the shoulder on a 24 to 30 inch hose and you donate a Air II type device to the OOA diver and there is no conventional octopus.

and;

Integrated power inflator as secondary - You breath a PRIMARY typically on a 36 to 44 inch hose routed under the arm. You donate to the OOA diver your PRIMARY and you switch to the Air II type integrated inflator. There is no conventional secondary second stage.

There can be other variations (pony/aux bottle augmented, Spare Air) or nomenclature and notice, I am not really telling you which to use. I typically use the conventional rigging along with my wife but may also use the long hose rigging. Nit a bad Wiki here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_diving

I am not sure I understand an 18 pound wing and an aluminum tank and a stainless plate. The 18 pound wing is more typical of tropical and warm water diving with an aluminum or plastic plate and with limited exposure gear and aluminum tanks. Temperate conditions, jack of all trades, 5/4MM suits more typical a 30-35 pound wing, stainless plate and a steel tanks (generally more negative than aluminum tanks).

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---------- Post added July 21st, 2015 at 10:07 PM ----------

These work well retaining an octopus second stage, fasten to the shoulder D ring, very common:

Trident Silicone Wrap-Through Regulator Octo Keeper Hol - Gear Clips & Lanyards : House of Scuba

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The key being, for me, it works ;) I'm in 8/7 solafx and have 18 lb ditchable.


I really think I can make the 40" primary and shorter octo on a necklace the most streamlined. I might even have that laying around at work. Here with an 80.
 
I have been using a snorkel keeper on my right chest d-ring and it works great.

I have been thinking about switching to a 40" under the arm with a 90 degree for my primary and secondary on 22-24" hose on a necklace.
 
The key being, for me, it works ;) I'm in 8/7 solafx and have 18 lb ditchable.


I really think I can make the 40" primary and shorter octo on a necklace the most streamlined.

What do you think an air share will be like on a 40" hose? 60" (5 feet) is pretty typical for open water, and 7 foot is more for wreck/cave. I'd suggest trying the 5 foot primary with short alternate.
 
Having dived in a variety of configurations over the years, I am convinced that having your secondary reg. bungeed around your neck is the most sensible solution. Regardless of what kind of diving you're doing... single tank NDL, doubles, overhead enviro., etc.. it makes sense to always have it where you can get to it in an instant just by dipping your head down and picking it up - hands free if needed. Donation of your primary is also very logical...especially in an emergency when the OOG diver my be in a panic and go for it anyway.

Best of all, you will have a scalable solution that can be adapted to any type of diving you choose to do in the future. Whether you choose to use a long hose now or just go with a 40" is entirely up to you, but essentially you will have a flexible, logical, and highly adaptable configuration that remains fairly consistent throughout.
 
I believe what I'll be mimicking is the diverite streamlined ow set up. Tnx for the input more is always welcomed
 
Hey guys, just picked up an Apeks 18 lb wing and ss back plate, d rings are configured typically as instructed. What's convention have to say about this and my aas / octo mounting? I dive a 100cu al and wet suit.. I believe it's a 48" inch hose on my aas / octo. Should I just O ring a dog clip [to the hose] on the chest / shoulder d ring ? ( break away?)

wow...that is a very low lift wing for cold water. You must only be wearing a 3mm suit or something especially with a 100cu aluminum. With that setup and a 7mm suit id have to where the 6lb BP, and then an additional 16lbs...depending on if I used an STA. That would be a total of 22lbs weight...id sure want a 30lb wing for that...especially on dives deeper than 75ft where wetsuits really start losing their buoyancy...just my two cents.

also ditchable weight is not a solution...as yes you will start being able to swim up should your wing not provide enough lift at depth BUT then once your wetsuit starts to uncompress at say 50ft...you will not be able to stop your ascent...just saying!
 

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