Spear gun and pole spear as a self defense weapon?

[letterboy]

Nah, no one has blamed Bush yet...

 

[danvolker]

This is one of the best Gun control discussion videos that I have ever seen...and it gets right to the heart of our discussion here..
[video=youtube_share;B5ELyG9V1SY]http://youtu.be/B5ELyG9V1SY[/video]

 

[agilis]

Tasteful, really tasteful.






Sure I will. Right here. I love Bambi. Not so much with fava beans and a nice chianti, but rather simmered in a red wine sauce or a (classical Scandinavian) sour cream sauce with a nice burgundy. Or broiled medium rare on the grill, with a tossed salad and a good Brunello or Barolo

I assume that when you prepare venison for consumption using one of your delectable gourmet approaches you do not cause the death of the animal. Using a spring powered anesthetic dart and surgically removing only the amount of muscle tissue needed to enhance a primarily vegetable based meal seems to me to be the only virtuous and ethical approach. Naturally, proper post-surgical care is required.

 

[Wayward Son]

I wish he'd run for something. I'd love to see him deliver one of his speeches on the floor of the house or senate

 

[agilis]

This is one of the best Gun control discussion videos that I have ever seen...and it gets right to the heart of our discussion here..
[video=youtube_share;B5ELyG9V1SY]http://youtu.be/B5ELyG9V1SY[/video]

Who is this moron? He face looks astonishingly like that of a typical embalmed corpse. Just looking at him speaking gives me the creeps. He should get back in his casket, close his eyes and lie still.

I'm a defender of the Second Amendment, but this guy is so moronically simplistic and so historically incorrect that his speech could easily be transposed to Saturday Night Live. An real embarrassment.

 

[kr2y5]

There are some posters in this thread, that may desire to allow a burglar to kick them like a dog, and to punch them in the face, and the only response they would consider, would be to try and kiss the hand of this attacker as the fist breaks through their teeth....and they would glory in the compassion they have shown, and the higher level of humanity they are displaying. The whole Jesus turning the other cheek nonsense.... Of course, in a Darwinian sense, this kind of behavior has a low survival value, and this kind of poster is a liability to all family ( kin ) , with kin selection becoming a negative result. This type of low survival behavior can exist best, in places where government is granted tyrannical powers, and where all personal freedoms are removed, leaving the masses as essentially indentured servants, and as unknowing slaves.

Dan, I am not sure if this is directed to me, but since it is a part of your reply to my post, and I do not remember either me, or anyone else in this thread expressing such a point of view, I am assuming you are at this point just projecting a negative feeling, so let me just say this... I like you, and I would rather be friends. I do not think I ever said anything hostile or impolite to you personally, but if in fact I did, I apologize.

Dont think I agree with this basic premise......If you make guns illegal, there is still the black market, and criminals will buy guns illegally...you know, the way they buy meth or crack or other illegal drugs, and the way they sell/fence the property they have stolen--using this network of illegal buying and selling.

There is no way to remove all the guns from the US, and pretty much, there is only the possibility of removing guns from law abiding citizens. Many of us do NOT and never will TRUST government....and the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS is that "tiny little last resort potential" built into the US constitution, that if all else fails, and evil corporations or power blocks take over the government, then we have the right to take up arms against this pure evil, and we are guaranteed to have the means to do so. Our forefathers had to do this before, and we may have to do this again.

I guess one problem I have with this discussion, is the lack of clarify about the profile of the attacker you are defending against.

If you are talking about a motivated soldier in a crime organization, who is coming to murder your family, and has the means to procure guns even in a country with tight gun control laws, then as I said before, this sort of criminal always has the potential to out-man and out-gun you.

If you are talking about some undiagnosed, mentally ill lunatic carpenter-turned-serial killer, or the kind of guy who has a difficulty to button up his shirt and needs cash to buy a next batch of dope, then maybe you should be asking yourself, how the thug got access to the gun in the first place, and whether it would be equally easy for this person to do so if the access to guns was more limited.

Or is it neither of the above?

 

[Storker]

I assume that when you prepare venison for consumption using one of your delectable gourmet approaches you do not cause the death of the animal. Using a spring powered anesthetic dart and surgically removing only the amount of muscle tissue needed to enhance a primarily vegetable based meal seems to me to be the only virtuous and ethical approach. Naturally, proper post-surgical care is required.

Close, but no cigar. It's more like:

A large dairy animal approached Zaphod Beeblebrox's table, a large fat meaty quadruped of the bovine type with large watery eyes, small horns and what might almost have been an ingratiating smile on its lips.

"Good evening," it lowed and sat back heavily on its haunches, "I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in the parts of my body?" It harrumphed and gurgled a bit, wriggled its hind quarters in to a more comfortable position and gazed peacefully at them.

Its gaze was met by looks of startled bewilderment from Arthur and Trillian, a resigned shrug from Ford Prefect and naked hunger from Zaphod Beeblebrox.

"Something off the shoulder perhaps?" suggested the animal, "braised in a white wine sauce?"

"Er, your shoulder?" said Arthur in a horrified whisper.

"But naturally my shoulder, sir," mooed the animal contentedly, "nobody else's is mine to offer."

Zaphod leapt to his feet and started prodding and feeling the animal's shoulder appreciatively.

"Or the rump is very good," murmured the animal. "I've been exercising it and eating plenty of grain, so there's a lot of good meat there." It gave a mellow grunt, gurgled again and started to chew the cud. It swallowed the cud again.

"Or a casserole of me perhaps?" it added.

"You mean this animal actually wants us to eat it?" whispered Trillian to Ford.

"Me?" said Ford, with a glazed look in his eyes, "I don't mean anything."

"That's absolutely horrible," exclaimed Arthur, "the most revolting thing I've ever heard."

"What's the problem Earthman?" said Zaphod, now transferring his attention to the animal's enormous rump.

"I just don't want to eat an animal that's standing there inviting me to," said Arthur, "It's heartless."

"Better than eating an animal that doesn't want to be eaten," said Zaphod.

"That's not the point," Arthur protested. Then he thought about it for a moment. "Alright," he said, "maybe it is the point. I don't care, I'm not going to think about it now. I'll just... er...

The Universe raged about him in its death troes

I think I'll just have a green salad," he muttered.

"May I urge you to consider my liver?" asked the animal, "it must be very rich and tender by now, I've been force-feeding myself for months."

"A green salad," said Arthur emphatically.

"A green salad?" said the animal, rolling his eyes disapprovingly at Arthur.

"Are you going to tell me," said Arthur, "that I shouldn't have green salad?"

"Well," said the animal, "I know many vegetables that are very clear on that point. Which is why it was eventually decided to cut through the whole tangled problem and breed an animal that actually wanted to be eaten and was capable of saying so clearly and distinctly. And here I am."

Of course, the whole - vitally important and rather time-consuming - process of properly aging the meat before it's fit for human consumption is omitted in this parable, but the principle still stands.

 

[agilis]

Close, but no cigar. It's more like:



Of course, the whole - vitally important and time-consuming - process of aging the meat before it's fit for human consumption is omitted in this parable, but the principle still stands.

That animal is obviously overmedicated with an inappropriate anti-depressant and should seek counseling from both a psychiatrist and an attorney.

 

[Storker]

Nah, no one has blamed Bush yet...

Which of them?

---------- Post added January 13th, 2015 at 07:21 PM ----------

That animal is obviously overmedicated with an inappropriate anti-depressant

I assume you'd rather recommend some kind of psychedelic drug?

 

[danvolker]

Dan, I am not sure if this is directed to me, but since it is a part of your reply to my post, and I do not remember either me, or anyone else in this thread expressing such a point of view, I am assuming you are at this point just projecting a negative feeling, so let me just say this... I like you, and I would rather be friends. I do not think I ever said anything hostile or impolite to you personally, but if in fact I did, I apologize.

I also feel no ill will to you, and would prefer to be friends.....and this was not directed AT YOU. It is directed against what I think is an underlying conviction in the anti gun religion, where they feel that "criminals that are attacking you, are people too...and they need your understanding and compassion"....I would vehemently disagree with this !!!

I guess one problem I have with this discussion, is the lack of clarify about the profile of the attacker you are defending against.

If you are talking about a motivated soldier in a crime organization, who is coming to murder your family, and has the means to procure guns even in a country with tight gun control laws, then as I said before, this sort of criminal always has the potential to out-man and out-gun you.

If you are talking about some undiagnosed, mentally ill lunatic carpenter-turned-serial killer, or the kind of guy who has a difficulty to button up his shirt and needs cash to buy a next batch of dope, then maybe you should be asking yourself, how the thug got access to the gun in the first place, and whether it would be equally easy for this person to do so if the access to guns was more limited.

Or is it neither of the above?

I am not talking about an organized hit by the mafia or a paramilitary organization...neither has any bearing at all on this discussion.
This is about the types of burglaries that are typical in America, when a burglary is committed. The types of criminals this will involve, may certainly have used guns before, but they will not be trained like Navy Seals, they will be the bottom of the barrel in most things they decide to do in life..and that will include their planning an assault on your home. Most likely, they will not think much one way or another, about whether the home owner has a gun...They will just come in to the house, the way they are used to breaking in to most houses. If they are the type that wants to shoot first, then see what they can take, they wont deviate from this planned behavior.
If you are the home owner in one of these home invasions, the stupid burglers are crashing in to your home, and they don't know where you are, or what you are armed with... If you have set yourself up in a protected spot, and wait for them to come to you...the perfect ambush zone or killing zone you can have planned into your home defense strategy, they will be clueless about the trap they are walking into, and it will not matter so much what kind of guns they are brandishing. With a nice riot gun type shotgun, you can eliminate 4 or 5 before they even know what is happening.

As to how they got their guns in the first place..they got them where criminals get meth, or heroin, or crack, or where they fence stolen goods....Show me a place where there are no illegal drugs in distribution with a drug subculture, and where there are no stolen goods being sold....where there is no crime, and I will agree with you that you should not see too many criminals in such a place that have guns, if such a place has banned guns for the population. However, in places with large urban areas and poor neighborhoods, there is usually much crime, and the crime will involve using stolen guns or retail guns....the criminals will have guns and will not have any concern for acquiring illegal guns

Magically remove all guns from this same land, and their will be just as much murder, but now by knives, clubs, bats, or any other weapon of opportunity. Criminals kill. It's part of what they do.....