More than "Advanced", but not really "Technical"

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We have been talking about the difference between tech computers and rec computers, but maybe there is more properly a middle ground--the "tech lite computer." What I mean is what is described above--a 3 gas computer that does not do helium. There are quite a few on the market, and they seem to be growing in popularity.

What is the purpose of such a computer? When would you use 3 different gas mixes on a dive?

The only good reason I can think of for 3 gases is for significant planned decompression, with the diver switching to higher oxygen concentrations during a prolonged ascent. For example, the diver could do an extended bottom time between 100-150 feet breathing anything from air to a light nitrox mix. During that time the diver would rack up the need for considerable deco with multiple stops. At the 70 foot stop, the diver might switch to EANx 50. At the 20 foot stop, the diver might switch to pure oxygen. That is how a 3 gas, non-helium computer might be used.

So what does this require? First of all, it will take a lot of bottom gas to accumulate that much deco time, so the diver will should be diving doubles or a high capacity single tank with a valve allowing for redundancy in case of a valve failure.

Next, the diver will need an advanced nitrox certification in order to get those higher fills, and the diver will need to have decompression procedures training to know how to plan the ascent profile. Advanced nitrox courses are very different from recreational nitrox courses. In recreational nitrox, the diver will normally be using a single tank, so there is no difference in the dive itself. That is why many agencies do not even require a dive for certification. With advanced nitrox, the only reason to be using such high oxygen mixes is to accelerate decompression, meaning the diver will have multiple tanks. Switching tanks safely is more complicated than it seems. Beginning tech divers might make a switch at 70 feet and be down at 100 feet and dropping or up at 30 feet and rising by the time they are done. Neither is a good thing during decompression. Either could be fatal. You also have to be trained in what to do when you owe lots of decompression time and something goes wrong that makes your planned decompression gas unavailable to you. In Advanced Nitrox courses, then, the in-water training is crucial.

In other words, this "tech-lite" is really still technical diving, and it requires proper training to do it safely. A recreational diver doing it without proper training may be fine, but it is a significant risk.

Now let's return to the bottom time on our sample dive. What I described as the bottom time usually falls under the title "deep air" or "extended range." It is becoming less and less popular as divers feel the need for helium at those depths. The agency for which I teach, TDI, has an extended range course, but it is rarely taught these days. A lot of tech divers will only do deep air or extended range when helium is not available, and some will not do it under any circumstances. Too dangerous.

Consequently, I think it will be a small subset of divers who will be interested in using a 3 gas, non-helium computer as it is intended. How many divers have bought such computers intending to use them for that purpose? I would suspect not many.
 
John, that's a really good point about the "tech-lite" computers. I mentioned earlier in this thread that there aren't any truly "rec-only" computers that I'm aware of. I clarified this to mean that all computers will track you through deco, but the "rec" computers will do a worse job of it. They'll penalize you arbitrarily, they'll give you a poor profile, they give you unclear screens or insufficient information. They're good enough for the rec diver that accidentally breached limits.

As for a 3-gas, non-helium computer to be used as recommended....there definitely aren't many people. However, it's my plan. I'm currently using it for 2-gas dives, and plan to take a class for proper 3-gas bottom times. It's my understanding that it's running a better algorithm more closely modeled by "proper" tech-style deco algorithms. However, I only bought it because it was cheap and WILL be upgrading to a better computer (read: Petrel) as soon as I can justify the expense.
 
The non-helium 2 or 3 gas computers have been used a lot in cave diving, and I suspect that is why you want one. A lot of Florida's caves are deep enough to get you into deco on a long dive, but not deep enough to make helium necessary. That is why you often see a stack of O2 bottles waiting by the exit for their owners to return. I've done that myself more than a few times.

But cave diving is definitely not tech-lite.
 
True, but a few of the dives I've done (and have planned) involve approximately the same depth but on wrecks. I know that the first time I went to one of the NC wrecks, I was disappointed by NDLs...despite diving "best mix." That motivated me to want to dive past NDLs. Max depth ~100ft, but with longer run times than NDLs. I think that's a great application of Tech-Lite/Techreational. You just need to pick the right "Tech-Lite" computer.....because you're right, there aren't a lot of people with that need and there aren't a lot of computers filling it. Most 2-3 gas nitrox computers are very reck-y.

Heck, I had a few minutes of backgas deco in Mx on my honeymoon on a normal OW boat dive!
 
One of the guys who I did my Tec40 course with had:
Seaquest Pro QD jacket BCD
AL80 w/ AL Legend
AL19 w/ Sherwood Brut, ponied up to his 80
Slung AL40 w/ Sherwood Brut

Worked fine for him. He made it through the course okay.
 
Just me, maybe, but I always saw a three gas computer as air and two gasses. Air, EANxx, and O2. I'll only ever use two at a time, but it is nice to have everything loaded.
 
Not for a rebreather... 3 gases is practically a requirement. And that would be a minimum requirement.
 
see, right there in your second sentence, that sums up what I was referring to: even the tables go to 50m, with air deco and limited deco times. Granted acelletated deco is better, but at least BSACers know that this exists, and don't panic if they do "accidentally" (through poor management of time) go into deco.
How much attention do they get with gas planning?
It depends how you catagorize "teaching light deco procedures".

BSAC '88 tables extend to 50m, with air deco and limited deco times. You are limited in diving to that until after Dive Leader qualification, followed by progressive 'sign-offs' after accumulating dive experience. However, nothing specific is 'taught' on that Dive Leader course in relation to "deco procedures", as most would recognize it.

Here is how BSAC describe Sports Diver:

"Qualified BSAC Sports Divers are ready to take part in dives with other Ocean Divers or higher grade divers. Depth can be built progressively to a maximum of 35m after qualifying"
Reference

Here is how BSAC describe Dive Leader:

"As a BSAC Dive Leader you are are becoming an expert in your field of dive leadership. You will also be competent in planning dives for groups of divers and managing diving on the day including, if necessary, managing rescue situations. This comprehensive course is a mix of classroom-based and practical lessons that will give divers confidence to plan, lead and manage dives, and deal with emergencies. Leading a dive will develop enjoyment, confidence and experience as a diver. After qualfying, and if you wish, depth can be built progressively to a maximum of 50m. Dive Leaders are eligible to progress to Open Water Instructor."
Reference

I'm not sure how being a DM equivalent, with substantial verified/supervised post-qualification experience, would help most recreational divers? A Tec40 or Adv Nitrox course would be a LOT simpler, cheap and a fraction of the time... ;)

BSAC do have a separate syllabus that formally teaches "deco procedures" - this is in line with the technical training provided by other agencies. Those specific courses include; Accelerated Decompression Procedures (Sports Diver to 35m/Dive Leader+ to 50m), Sport Mixed Gas Diver, Explorer Mixed Gas Diver and Advanced Mixed Gas Diver.
 
John, that's a really good point about the "tech-lite" computers. I mentioned earlier in this thread that there aren't any truly "rec-only" computers that I'm aware of. I clarified this to mean that all computers will track you through deco, but the "rec" computers will do a worse job of it. They'll penalize you arbitrarily, they'll give you a poor profile, they give you unclear screens or insufficient information. They're good enough for the rec diver that accidentally breached limits.

As for a 3-gas, non-helium computer to be used as recommended....there definitely aren't many people. However, it's my plan. I'm currently using it for 2-gas dives, and plan to take a class for proper 3-gas bottom times. It's my understanding that it's running a better algorithm more closely modeled by "proper" tech-style deco algorithms. However, I only bought it because it was cheap and WILL be upgrading to a better computer (read: Petrel) as soon as I can justify the expense.

So it is your argument that any computer that does not have multi-gas capabilities is by definition a recreational computer and will give you "unclear" screens when you go into deco with them?
 
see, right there in your second sentence, that sums up what I was referring to: even the tables go to 50m, with air deco and limited deco times. Granted acelletated deco is better, but at least BSACers know that this exists, and don't panic if they do "accidentally" (through poor management of time) go into deco.

I think that's a different issue. Educating someone to do deco is different to educating them about deco.

No diver should panic or feel anxiety simply because of a decompression obligation. That said, the anxiety would be justly deserved if they hadn't planned that deco and weren't sure whether they had sufficient gas, or there were other unaccounted for factors, which threatened their ability to complete that obligation. Anxiety would also be deserved if it arose from them simply not understanding what their dive computer was telling them - a failure on their part to R.T.F.M.

Do divers really 'panic' about 'accidental' deco? Or do they panic because they've just put themselves into a scenario where they don't understand what their instrument is now telling them or they are short of air and their computer is screaming at them when they try to surface?

Novice divers need to have a respect for deco. That is all. Given the limited scope of their training, the time available for education - what do they really need to be taught? I'd suggest 'DON'T GO INTO DECO' is sufficient. Prevention is better than cure... especially when the divers' capability to effect that cure is unreliable at best.

If someone isn't capable of managing a dive to simply ensure bottom time doesn't exceed NDL... then they're nowhere near at stage of competency necessary to handle safe decompression ascents.

Possession of enabling tables, or fancy computers does nothing to change that reality.

How much attention do they get with gas planning?

I'm scratching my head trying to remember what training I was given on gas management back then. I don't believe I had any after BSAC Sports Diver level. I'd done some TDI courses before Dive Leader/Instructor...so I can't remember if those BSAC courses included it or not. There was certainly no education on teaching SAC/RMV at BSAC OWSI level. I don't remember the Advanced Instructors covering that either... My memory could be flawed though.... perhaps a more current BSAC diver/instructor could shed light on it. (I'll check my old BSAC instructor manuals, but don't have them with me here now).
 
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