What's going at Blue Angel?

[fishi]

Who is being corrupt? If you have a device in your electric meter that makes it look like you are using less electricity than you really are, and the utility company finds it, the utility is going to take measures to try to recoup their losses, no matter where you are. Eva is a friend of mine and I hate to see this happen, and it has been established that she didn't install the device or even know it was there, but the electric company isn't the bad guy, either.

They shut the power off and told her it's not coming on until you give us $60k. That's not corruption? they should have left the power on. After a few months they could get a accurate guess of how slow the meter was and present her with a fair bill for the difference. What they did wasn't only corrupt, it was extortion too.

 

[Christi]

I may be wrong, but I faintly recall solar panels were installed at BA a few years ago, although I may be mistaken.

Nope - I asked her about it last week! She would LOVE to do it though! It's a BIG up front investment for the hotel because of the amount she would need

 

[Mike]

Colorado seems like the Solar power center of the world, panels are everywhere, residences, businesses, government agencies, there are just acres of them around, and we have a ton of solar manufacturer businesses located here. There are quire a few people who have solar panels on their homes and the meter spins backwards and they are selling electricty back to the utility company.

Maybe I should retire and open up a solar panel install biz in Cozumel. I'd have no shortage of labor here to choose from that's for sure.

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They shut the power off and told her it's not coming on until you give us $60k. That's not corruption? they should have left the power on. After a few months they could get a accurate guess of how slow the meter was and present her with a fair bill for the difference. What they did wasn't only corrupt, it was extortion too.

I think depending on how you consider the utility was viewing the problem you could easily see it quite differently from their point of view.

In the United States if the utility company caught you stealing power from them for 20 years they'd probably have to jump through 3 years of legal wrangling just to cut you off, cause you'd probably sue them for pain and suffering due to falling down the stairs in the dark after they cut off your power, or for future loss of earnings for your children cause they couldn't charge their Ipads when they cut off the power and it stunted their education.

In Mexico they just send Jose over with a pair of big insulated wire cutters and cut the power lines to the theif and go have a beer.

I kind of like the Mexican way better.

 

[ccannon707]

Nemecio has started a business that includes solar panel sales and installation in Cozumel:

https://www.facebook.com/CoolCozumel

 

[cvchief]

I didn't say that at all, nothing similar to that.

Well, I think you did say it falls mostly on the owner and the business, not so much the guests. That seems odd. Of course future guest are going to pay for it, one way or another.

Someone made a statement that "suggested" that their rates may go up..possibly because of this.

Mr response merely stated the obvious that "IF" (note the "if") they do for that reason, future guests are paying for past guests.

If all those conditional statements and suppositions are true, then my statement is.

I suppose that I can make a statement like that if people can make subtle statements about who may be responsible for installing the device.

Ron, you are absolutely correct, regardless of your premises. Either increase revenue or decrease expenses, right? (or cut the margin, which is an expense more or less) They will have to do that for the electric going forward and any extra past amount assessed.

It doesn't matter. Rates can stay the same and future guests will pay the back bill. (Unless someone 'give' the business money as a gift or something)

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Nemecio has started a business that includes solar panel sales and installation in Cozumel:

https://www.facebook.com/CoolCozumel

He is a really cool guy. I mean interesting and sharp. But he is into AC now too I think....

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In the United States if the utility company caught you stealing power from them for 20 years they'd probably have to jump through 3 years of legal wrangling just to cut you off, cause you'd probably sue them for pain and suffering due to falling down the stairs in the dark after they cut off your power, or for future loss of earnings for your children cause they couldn't charge their Ipads when they cut off the power and it stunted their education.

In Mexico they just send Jose over with a pair of big insulated wire cutters and cut the power lines to the theif and go have a beer.

I kind of like the Mexican way better.

I kinda like it too. I checked with a friend who is an exec for a large eastern power company. For theft, they cut them off right away. Find it alot in the grow ops. All those lights....


And you know solar could make a big difference in the residential MX market. They tier the electric, so if you use over a certain amount in the billing period, they up your tier, so ALL your power cost more. What's worse, the higher rate continues for multiple billing periods until you have been back under for a bit. So even a little bit off the top could save ALOT of money.

 

[DandyDon]

I think it was said that they pulled the meter, discovered the device, and left the meter off.

They shut the power off and told her it's not coming on until you give us $60k. That's not corruption? they should have left the power on. After a few months they could get a accurate guess of how slow the meter was and present her with a fair bill for the difference. What they did wasn't only corrupt, it was extortion too.

It's their country. A nice place to visit, but not so much different than when we seceded because of broken treaties, and they went on to make Santa Anna president 11 different times, even bringing him back from exile. Accept the country for what it is.

It amazes me that some of y'all invest there, but life is full of risks.

Well, I think you did say it falls mostly on the owner and the business, not so much the guests. That seems odd. Of course future guest are going to pay for it, one way or another.

Rooms sell for as much or as little as the market indicates and it's a competitive market. Guests will pay for what they get or go elsewhere, leaving it to the owner to pay the expenses.

 

[cvchief]

Rooms sell for as much or as little as the market indicates and it's a competitive market. Guests will pay for what they get or go elsewhere, leaving it to the owner to pay the expenses.

Well I guess the Angel has a lot of room between their rack rate of 109 and the Presidente at 217? I just don't get the whole, 'it falls on the business and the owner.' Where would they get it?

 

[DandyDon]

Well I guess the Angel has a lot of room between their rack rate of 109 and the Presidente at 217? I just don't get the whole, 'it falls on the business and the owner.' Where would they get it?

The owner pays whether they sell rooms are not. Where the owner gets the funds falls on the owner. The more rooms sold, the more current electricity is used, so the more is due and ideally that would come from room payments. What difference does it make? Future room costs will be tied to the market, not old expenses to be paid.

 

[Mike]

They might have to call in Anthony Melchiorri. I'd watch that episode!

 

[DandyDon]

They might have to call in Anthony Melchiorri. I'd watch that episode!

He fixes problem hotels and leads renovations, so I don't think he'd be needed here at all. The Blue Angel is a far superior property than what it was, with no management problems I know of.