what makes a diving agency a diving agency?

[paolov]

Im kinda thinking about the same thing. She is from Texas right?

what next, a conspiracy against Moonglow?

I thought the person was OFF this thread, but still keeps..., isnt that a #97

or :classic: as i did not get it

We welcome GUE divers all, but to dive with our groups you will need to present a level appropiate c-card from the above listed agencies.

i see, you have to present a c-card from those listed in their insurance. and GUE is not on the list. but why would GUE join your group?

 

[chrpai]

Good catch, glad that you're paying attention. I have been an instructor for six years, crossed over to NAUI from PADI three years-ago. Sorry for the typo.

So does that impress the newbies or something when they come into the shop?

 

[Trace Malinowski]

I suppose in the US it would be the RSTC that oversees recognition and CMAS in much of the rest of the world.

FM1520,
WRSTC :: World Recreational Scuba Training Council On this page there is a small pull-down window at the bottom of the page that says, "Select a WRSTC Agency...". Using that window will provide you a list of their agencies.

The RSTC and WRSTC are so 20th Century! Everyone who is anyone wants to meet ISO standards now!

If you aren't ISO, you aren't a real agency.

 

[paolov]

my last post on what makes an agency an agency, Promise, my last post on the topic (but not on off topic posts)

a group that gives out certification of training seeks recognition of their standards to meet safety for their students/members. a semblance of adequate training to undertake the activity with due diligence.

now, what if the c-card was left and (lets say no internet connection) .

it ultimately boils down to if the person can demonstrate the necessary skills and attitude to be a safe diver. it so happens that here in the warm waters of the Philippines,there are those from North America and Europe who come over for work in the city for a short period of time and have no plans of scuba diving. But then find themselves in a middle of several days of no work, say flood in the city, storm in the city.

then they get to be invited to go out for a day of scuba diving , say Batangas, just 2.5 horus from the main city.

does c-card matter? yes it does, and it reflects on the claim of the person.

anectode: TRUE STORY

a group of guys whose base in from Cincinnati (it reminds me of the TV Theme song WKRP in Cincinnatiiiii)

one did not bring c-card. and would like to join the group (c-card is not GUE nor NAUI) he asks nicely if he may join , he claims he has certification but left it in the states.

since several scuba instructors were on hand (from several certifying agencies) resort agreed to allow the person to dive AFTER ASSESSMENT by a currently certified scuba Instructor.

turns out the guy was magnificent in the water, like he belongs in the water like a fish. so he goes with the group on the dives. everyone was SAFE and happy.

the c-card should reflect on the skill and attitude of the person and not just the card.

after the day, the guy spills out the beans, that he is a veteran of scuba but just did not have plans of scuba diving on this particular working trip. but was glad there was that unscheduled holiday that he was able to dive the warm seas of the Philippines.

then i directed him to www.Scubaboard.com on days he is unable to do actual scuba diving.

so now my last post on agency an agency ITS ABOUT PRODUCING SAFE DIVERS c-card or no c-card ..... but i'll be posting off topic hehehehehe

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

We don't recognize either as agencies for continuing education. Again, we don't require c-cards for fills.

Failing to recognize GUE as a training agency? Failing to recognize GUE divers as excellent divers?

I am happiest when a cave student comes to take my cave classes and shows me a GUE Fundamentals card because I KNOW they will be squared away.

You should reconsider your stance.

 

[Superlyte27]

Failing to recognize GUE as a training agency? Failing to recognize GUE divers as excellent divers?

I am happiest when a cave student comes to take my cave classes and shows me a GUE Fundamentals card because I KNOW they will be squared away.

You should reconsider your stance.

Jim, and the rest of you guys: Quit trying to inject wisdom, intelligence and common sense into this thread. It has no part here.
But I agree. It's nice not having to teach someone how to rig their gear, how to be neutrally buoyant regardless of activity, flow or position and how to frog kick.

 

[Cyprian]

Failing to recognize GUE as a training agency? Failing to recognize GUE divers as excellent divers?

I am happiest when a cave student comes to take my cave classes and shows me a GUE Fundamentals card because I KNOW they will be squared away.

You should reconsider your stance.

Jim, and the rest of you guys: Quit trying to inject wisdom, intelligence and common sense into this thread. It has no part here.
But I agree. It's nice not having to teach someone how to rig their gear, how to be neutrally buoyant regardless of activity, flow or position and how to frog kick.

Gentlemen, thank you for these comments. Your positive attitude and comments reflect what I was referring to when I said some of the tech instructors around here (DFW-Texas) that I have discussed GUE with have no issue with and recognize the training offered through GUE, even though it is not the path that they choose to travel.

As to the comments of the person who has now apparently been told not to post on SB, I really hated to see that. I was shocked to see that attitude permeate a dive shop here in TX. That has no place in the diving industry, as Thal said on a related thread running adjacent to this one. It really sounded like regurgitated non-sense to me. Someone at the shop in question has a deep-seeded hatred for GUE and the attitude just spread emphatically throughout this particular shop.

But, sincerely, thanks for your comments. It's nice to see from two well respected cave diving instructors.

Safe dives,

Cyp

 

[Superlyte27]

But, sincerely, thanks for your comments. It's nice to see from two well respected cave diving instructors.

Safe dives,

Cyp

I see Jim here, but who was the other one?

Bwahahaha... But I sincerely thank you. I just had to say it before someone else did.

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Here, you might get a kick out of this...

http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showthread.php/21299-How-do-I-become-the-next-Chairman-of-the-NSS-CDS

 

[boulderjohn]

one did not bring c-card. and would like to join the group (c-card is not GUE nor NAUI) he asks nicely if he may join , he claims he has certification but left it in the states.

since several scuba instructors were on hand (from several certifying agencies) resort agreed to allow the person to dive AFTER ASSESSMENT by a currently certified scuba Instructor.

turns out the guy was magnificent in the water, like he belongs in the water like a fish. so he goes with the group on the dives. everyone was SAFE and happy.

the c-card should reflect on the skill and attitude of the person and not just the card.

I posted this story in the Instructor to Instructor forum already, but it seems to fit here. This past weekend I was at an ocean conservation conference, and one of the speakers told a similar story. He was on a boat for a 5-day trip in Australia (this was quite a while ago, so current restrictive Australian laws were not in play), and the captain demanded to see his certification card. He explained that his father had taught him how to dive (starting when he was 7 years old), and in the roughly 20 years since then, he had completed thousands of dives, but he had never gotten certified. Sorry, said the captain. No certification, no diving. The diver was resigned to a ruined trip, but fortunately some of the crew members convinced the captain to make an exception in this special case.

That diver's name is Jean Michel Cousteau.

When he got home he want to PADI and got certified so that it wouldn't happen again.

 

[Wookie]

That diver's name is Jean Michel Cousteau.

When he got home he want to PADI and got certified so that it wouldn't happen again.

A number of high profile divers are the same way. Sylvia Earle, JMC as stated, Stan Waterman, etc...