JamesK
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Jim you're my hero! Lol.
Excellent post!
Excellent post!
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So then you need to define a breaking point. In Ormsby's case the only possible breaking point would have been his belt. Not likely as it would have been under his BC and was now wrapped up in cables as he turned to see what he was snagged on or so it is believed. Had he not used the clips in the first place the cable would never have gotten trapped. Had he had cave line between the clip and d ring he may have been able to cut it. Or the divers that did find him would have been able to with a knife and not had to leave the body to retrieve the bolt cutters. Thus placing them at risk again.
The most common ways of doing things such as using cave line are not just for the divers benefit. That would be an incredibly selfish position to take. The ways suggested of doing things were, as AMS511 said, learned the hard way. And they are not just to benefit you. They are also to benefit the people who have to dive with you and possibly rescue or recover you.
If I have to waste time figuring out how to undo a split ring on someone who is entangled, try to open a trigger snap that has been wrapped up in line or net, or get a pair of bolt or wire cutters to get through a metal to metal point that was not necessary to do I want to know before we even get in the water so I can choose not to dive with that person.
I have not read George's presentation transcripts but I think I am going to now. I adopted the methods I use from reading this board and talking to more experienced divers. I've gotten rid of a lot of stuff I had in the beginning because of pre conceived ideas of how things are done on land applying underwater. Some do. Many do not. Common sense now tells me metal to metal on accessories is no good. Period. Simple works and works well. Not only for me but for the people that have to help if something goes wrong. I use cave line and bolt snaps. I take the time to aquire snaps of the proper construction and size for conditions. And when I'm told by more experienced divers and technical instructors I respect to try something else I listen. Comes with age I guess. Letting others do the experimenting and suffer the headaches while I benefit from their wisdom.
I am still looking at ways of improving my set up. And the primary driver behind it is to simplify it for myself and for those that may have to deal with it in an emergency. Overthinking can kill. There are new products coming out all the time to benefit the diver and make their life easier. More often than not they are solutions looking for a problem that does not exist. And some people are good at creating problems where there was none that now require complicated solutions. All because they don't want to see the simple ones that are tried and proven.
Do whatever you want. You seem to have all the answers for your diving. I'll listen to those with thousands of hours in the water and decades of experience.
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So do you
Seriously??? Face palm!
Just relax use what works, learn from the mistakes. Heed what those with experience know.
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I had to check which forum we were in. Do we measure experience or insight by days on the direction explorers forum? In any forum? How is that relevant?A post by that on his 2nd day on the direction explorers forum....
Well it also seems that I am also not the only one there are others with experience.
Why bolt-snaps? - DIR Explorers
What's wrong with bolt snaps? Tie em on with cave line and clip off. If it does get caught a quick stroke with a zip knife or small knife and you are free. Some will even use an oring to tie it to the snap. A good yank will free it.
Even worse are shops that sell non locking carabiners to divers for clipping things off. Otherwise known as suicide clips. I've made a couple students that I did not train initially get rid of them or not use them in my classes.
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