One stupid thing I did that new divers should avoid

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Can you set the computer default to wet activation? If you can set it to wet activation will it still start the dive if you bump a button? I usually put my wrist computer on one of my BC D-rings until I have the BC on, then I put the computer on my wrist.
 
Ok, I stand corrected on the use of GAUGE mode. I never use it obviously.

Yes, I could have used my dive tables but since it was my last dive of the trip I didn't even consider it. However, since I was diving Nitrox, I need (well, not need, but ideally use) the Nitrox tables which I don't have. My LDS stopped giving out the Nitrox tables as part of the Nitrox class. Yes, I could have used the air tables instead and been ultra-conservative.

Yes, I know I wasn't in a deco situation based on my previous dive that day, the surface interval, and the planned time at depth for this dive. I always run out of air way before exceeding the deco time limits. I'm saying it COULD happen if you didn't plan your dive. This is the new diver forum right? And being in the new diver forum, if you don't pay attention to your ascent rate you could accidentally exceed it, which on my D6i adds time to my safety stop. I paid attention, made sure I didn't ascend faster than 30 ft/min, knew I wasn't in a deco dive, and could use dive time to figure out the 3 minute safety stop. In fact, I planned on adding a minute just to be safe, but my wife and I dove the same profile (we hold hands) so I just used her safety stop countdown. But not being able to use any other mode but GAUGE for the rest of your dive trip would be a bummer for me. Maybe not for some of you, but it would for me and I would NOT be comfortable doing it. Chastise me all you want.

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Can you set the computer default to wet activation? If you can set it to wet activation will it still start the dive if you bump a button? I usually put my wrist computer on one of my BC D-rings until I have the BC on, then I put the computer on my wrist.
It'll start the dive at whatever dive mode you have your computer set on. It doesn't know if your diving air or nitrox or anything else unless you tell it, on purpose or accidentally.
 
One suggestion, besides the "know the tables well enough to realize when you are screwed up" idea.

Dive computers tend to evolve new functions and options and figuring this out on the fly is not a good plan. The more complex they become, the more likely some weird side effect can mess you up. The instructors / classes don't help much because there are a variety of dive computers out there and they are different. Jump on one of the on-line simulators and be sure you are familiar with all the modes and screens before you dive so you will recognize when something is amiss.
 
So I tried unsuccessfully to remove the stop watch from the display and get back to what is normally there for a few minutes, then gave up and went back to enjoying my dive.

At this point you should have aborted your dive. Period!

Forget about the dive table rhetoric, it doesn't take into account your nitrogen load from your previous days of diving.

Are you really going to try to add dive tables to this problem at 90'?

Simple rule - dive computer malfunction - Abort!

Abort with your buddy. If you can get the divemasters attention, do. Then Abort! Thumb Up! Go Up Slowly.

Do a slow ascent, do a safety stop, then an added safety stop if your gas allows.
 
Ok, I stand corrected on the use of GAUGE mode. I never use it obviously.

Yes, I could have used my dive tables but since it was my last dive of the trip I didn't even consider it. However, since I was diving Nitrox, I need (well, not need, but ideally use) the Nitrox tables which I don't have. My LDS stopped giving out the Nitrox tables as part of the Nitrox class. Yes, I could have used the air tables instead and been ultra-conservative.

You can use the air table with Nitrox and still take advantage of its extended NDL. You should have learned how to calculate the EAD(Equivalent Air Depth) for the mix you were using in your Nitrox class--this is the depth you would use with the air table.
 
Your dive exhibited a strong self-centric "everything always comes out OK" behavior. You should re-think this, but let's proceed anyway...

So, starting with ignoring the rescue gas you should be carrying for your buddy, let's examine your "terminal dive" plans.

Take your RMV, convert it to SAC (at key depths) and figure out just how much gas will get you back to the surface unhurt. Write these on a wrist slate. Nobody's mind is sharp when your stomach turns to ice. You need the visual equivalent of "OH S**T!!! sound bites"...

See attached pic. You can ignore the rightmost column, that would be for my buddy. You don't have that problem...


Why I posted: You seem to have awakened to the need for gas planning, welcome aboard!
 
I think another thing to be learned from this is knowing what your gear is likely to do when its doing something other than what you expect, or what it might do if accidentally bumped so that you can watch out for that and be able to deal with it before it becomes an issue. If you know what your gear is doing and why, you're in a position to make the decision whether you can safely and comfortably continue the dive. If you don't know what your gear is doing, you may not be in a position where you can make that decision, in which case the only option is to abort the dive.

This goes for any piece of gear that could malfunction or function differently than you intended, not just computers.
 
KISS. The Army Ranger way. Simple to remember 60 Feet. 60 Minutes. 60* Water. Adjust accordingly
 
"For those that don't know, GAUGE is tech diving where you intentionally ignore all these safety limits and dive as deep as you want, as long as you want. You may enter deco, you may not, but the computer doesn't harrass you with safety stops, or count down your no-deco dive time, or really much of anything except give you depth, ascent rate, and dive time - all very useful stuff mind you, but not what you want when you're trying to keep from going into a deco dive or trying to maintain your 3 minute safety stop (or any additional time you might incur if you happen to have gone into a deco dive)."

This is completely false. Gauge mode is used any time you only need the required info to back up another computer or to provide the necessary information to follow the dive plan you should always do regardless of whether you use a computer or not. Relying on a computer to tell you when your NDL's are up, when to ascend, when to do a safety stop and for how long, and to prevent you from going into deco is a good way to get hurt. Your brain tells you all those things based on the plan you should come up with and the gauge mode provides the info needed to follow that plan. You do not need a computer to do recreational dives and in fact I recommend new divers not get one. Just for the reasons seen here. Too much reliance on it. It promotes what I consider to be reckless behavior on the part of the new diver. I want new divers to know how much time they have and decide for themselves when it's time to come up. Not wait on a computer to tell them.

There was no reason you could not have used the gauge mode to do the entire dive as a new diver. Divers are shown how to plan dives, monitor ascent rates, and keep track of their NDL's for a given depth. Or they should be even if learning with a computer. That would just be common sense to most divers. Computers fail. A watch and depth gauge and tables as back up is all that is needed to finish the dive and plan subsequent ones.

And it not a matter of experience at this level. It's about having the basic information passed on to you to allow you to deal with situations like this. A dead comp or one in gauge mode is no reason for a diver to cancel any subsequent dives unless the NDL's have been exceeded. It may require a longer surface interval than was planned for but no reason to stay out of the water for 2 days.

And one other thing. If this was a planned deep dive as part of course I am very dismayed to see that it appears it was not really planned. It seems like the plan was go down to 90 feet, watch til the computer says it's time to go up, and then do so. What was the gas management plan? What was the test or task to check for narcosis? What was the contingency plan? What did the instructor say about this episode? Did you have a written plan and back up method of following it?

I'm with you on this one i feel that this particular dive was not planned with tables , gas management , turn pressure , turn time , no ooa redundency with buddy in mind. This dive should have been aborted the second he realised he had no ndl info because he had no contingency plans for this.
 

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