Cert. cards can't be revoked for cause?

[windapp]

Here is what I think a non-professional C card means:

At one point in time, the holder of the card demonstrated the knowledge and skills necessary to obtain that card.
In the case of your OW card, it means that you can plan and execute dives in the environment you were trained, and you know enough not to execute dives for which you are not qualified. That way, your loved ones can't sue dive operations based on them letting you dive when you aren't trained and knowledgeable about the sport.

Since you are only responsible for yourself, there wouldn't be a lot of point to revoking the card.

 

[Rhone Man]

Maybe you majored in finance 20 years ago and got out to work in something totally unrelated. The university does not show up and ask for their wall art back.

I just had an amusing mental image of a University Dean walking into a McDonalds and all the workers running out the back, afraid they are about to get their degrees revoked...

 

[XS-NRG]

If you get a diploma or degree at a university, should they be able to revoke it? When I get my trade certification and am classified as a Journeyman should they be able to revoke that? The answer to both is: of course not. I don't see why diving would really be any different. The onus is on the individual to brush up on their skills or continuing education to keep current and up with the times.

 

[dmoore19]

Most places have the right to refuse service. I have seen this. One of the guys on the trip was dangerous, the captain of the boat refused to let him make the second dive, he didn't get his card revoked, he did get denied services though.

 

[KD8NPB]

It's your choice whether you choose to follow procedures or not.

I consider it a self-solving problem. Divers who dive unsafely will eventually exit the hobby, whether their choice or not...

 

[OldNSalty]

I just had an amusing mental image of a University Dean walking into a McDonalds and all the workers running out the back, afraid they are about to get their degrees revoked...

Well, major in the Humanities and that's what you get

 

[nolatom]

I wasn't really talking about nonuse, that just takes a refresher course. I was talking about active evidence of incompetence or danger to others (Rescue card and Gabe Watson is what came to mind, but pick your own example). A system where you get to keep that card when you've just shown your eagerness to abandon a buddy in fixable trouble, seems toothless enough to me to invite unwanted government regulation if the right accident presented itself. Something we don't want.

 

[JamesK]

I wasn't really talking about nonuse, that just takes a refresher course. I was talking about active evidence of incompetence or danger to others (Rescue card and Gabe Watson is what came to mind, but pick your own example). A system where you get to keep that card when you've just shown your eagerness to abandon a buddy in fixable trouble, seems toothless enough to me to invite unwanted government regulation if the right accident presented itself. Something we don't want.

Again, how would this be monitored? With millions of divers world wide and more agencies then letter in the alphabet, this seems like it could be very difficult to do.

 

[ScubaSteve1962]

They can have my card when they pry it out of my cold dead hands!!! A c card and a 1$ might get you a bad cup of coffee, some don't even ask for them if you sound like you know what you're talking about.

 

[DivemasterDennis]

I am surprised no one has yet mentioned that PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS can and are revoked with some regularity. In the Undersea Journal there is regularly a list of suspended and revoked instructors or other levels of professional card holders. As for recreational certifications, in my experience dive concessionaires can and will deny service if a diver has not been in the water for a long time. I know some that require a refresher for divers who have not dove in more than a year. I advocate divers being active. That is the best assurance of risk management and safe diving. Keep your skills, and your equipment, properly tuned.
DivemasterDennis