Isn't scuba supposed to be fun too?

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freewillie

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I'm going to start this with my experiences this year with my 7 year old and helping coach his little league team. Because I never really played baseball at any level and because I didn't want to give these kids incorrect advise/lessons I've been somewhat obsessed with learning proper baseball mechanics and drills. In the process of researching baseball and the bonding process of being part of my son's team I am now a die hard baseball fan. Never used to be, but I am now.

I have come to realize that there are subtle nuances to the game. I have become more aware of the complexeties of the strategy, how to evaluate a kid and their mechanics fielding, throwing, and batting. I have even studied up on the rules (you would be suprised at how many parents get confused on the rules!)and now have a much better understanding of the game in general. My appreciation for major league players and managers has grown, and I now watch the games with a more experienced eye.

That being said, it is still a simple game even kids can play. The kids didn't really care if they won or lost. They made plenty of errors, struck out, got caught off base, etc but still managed to have fun and enjoy the game. What they didn't like was the parents yelling at them when they made an error. They cried real tears when they made an error because a parent yelled at them. I had to do some damage control in the dugout with these kids sometimes, to encourage them, make them feel better and try and instill some confidence so the next time they were out there they would make the play.

Scuba diving and the threads here on SB have begun to look like the overzealous parents in the stands. I intentionally did not post or get involved in the "Somewhat sad conversation last night" thread because IMO the GUE/DIR core has a very defined set of ideals that they believe constitutes a good diver. They are also very vocal about sharing their opinions and how others should dive as well.

There is a lot of denegration to PADI in particular and a modular approach to diving. When my dive instructor and I talked about Scubaboard he said, "just be careful, you are going to hear a lot of opinions that if you don't dive this way you are going to die." He wanted me to stay mindful of differences in approaches to diving and that as long as I stayed within my own training I should be fine.

So I kept practicing my skills. I continued to dive locally as well as on vacation. I am accumulating my own gear. I don't dive with a BPW but do have a back inflate BC. I dive split fins. I'm not even sure what a helicoptor kick is, and rarely if ever swim with a frog kick. I don't bungee my octopus, and when I get my own regulator will go with a octo/inflator combo to streamline my hoses. And will add to that a wireless AI computer set up as well.

My friends are all vacation divers. They rent jacket BC's, all their dive gear, and use snorkels on their masks, and even fin and scull with their hands during the dive. They are smart enough to know they are not 'expert' divers and usually hire DM's and in a real sense are on 'trust me dives' since they couldn't dive without a more experienced diver. But, they are smart enough to know their limitations and book only easy DM led dives.

I know the prevailing wisdom regarding 'those' type of divers here on SB. Yes, our skills are not even close to the GUE/DIR group. But, we have just as much fun diving. We like to see all the beauty and wonder of the ocean, the exhilaration of breathing underwater and swimming with the fishes. My daughter still talks about our last dive together and keeps asking when we are going next. She can't wait for August and diving in Maui and Kona. I have promised her a manta ray night dive as well.

I know scuba can be potentially dangerous, and accidents do happen. I have been pursuing my own education as well to become a safer diver. I did the AOW training to improve my skills and plan on completing Rescue Diver certification hopefully by the end of this year.

But, I feel a little like those 7 year olds playing baseball. This isn't the World Series. We are having fun, keeping it simple, and as for scuba as safe as our training allows.
 
scuba is supposed to be fun, if im not gonna have fun, i'm not gonna do the dive. I rather dive with a beginner that's gonna enjoy the dive then with a super experienced diver that is going to go out of their way to make it miserable for me because i dive in a certain fashion that doesn't meet their criteria for a "safe" dive (ie SM instead of BM.....etc...)

I find you get A-hole divers from all agencies.....I just don't dive with them, I still love diving in a pool let alone being in open water.....the last thing I want is for someone to ruin it for me.

The contrast to that is the awesome divers from all agencies (including GUE), they are out there for the love of diving and just want to be under the water and don't feel the need to nit-pick.....more of a "do what works" mentality.
 
I intentionally did not post or get involved in the "Somewhat sad conversation last night" thread because IMO the GUE/DIR core has a very defined set of ideals that they believe constitutes a good diver. They are also very vocal about sharing their opinions and how others should dive as well.

Yet you will come to another thread and go on and on about your style of diving and about how you are having fun because of it and implying the DIR divers can not be having fun.

As for your instructors comment, that is what keeps a divide amongst styles of divers going. He is just as guilty as those he bashes on Scubaboard.
 
You hit the bail on the head IMO with alot of what you said. Diving, like baseball and any other activity you chose, should be fun, otherwise why do it. Your dive buddies do not sound like the type of vacation divers that draw alot of ire in some of these threads. They know their limits and dive accordingly. Simple reef dives with pretty fish and a local dm hired to keep an eye on them.

Unlike most of the regular posters here, your buddies fall into the same catagory as most of the divers worldwide(my opinion, and no I don't have facts to back this up), vacation divers who enjoy scuba diving without committing a whole lot of time and money to ever become a great diver.

You however, like coaching baseball, are aware of how much more there is to diving. As a parent, Diving with your daughter is going to make you want to be a better and safer diver. I find myself getting ready to start diving with my boys in the couple of years and hope their experience matches the wonder I feel every time i'm diving.

---------- Post added May 21st, 2012 at 01:26 PM ----------

As a side note, every dive that my buddy and I have ever thumbed were because conditions stopped making the dive fun.
 
Scuba is fun and so is participating here on ScubaBoard. Sure, there are different opinions and some are more vocal than others but really, so what? I read and respond to threads that I believe I can help and some I participate in simply because I like the people (and their opinions). I also like reading opposing views because, sometimes, even in the storm of vitriol, I can sometimes see a glimmer of truth or they direct me to a point of view I had not considered. Sure, sometimes a few focus on what I would consider irrelevant hazards but that's OK with me and if I ever end up inside a deep, dark cave or wreck (not very likely) that information may just come in pretty damn handy.

Have fun, read many different threads, participate in those you like and then just go diving!
 
Yet you will come to another thread and go on and on about your style of diving and about how you are having fun because of it and implying the DIR divers can not be having fun.

As for your instructors comment, that is what keeps a divide amongst styles of divers going. He is just as guilty as those he bashes on Scubaboard.
I think for the most part here on ScubaBoard, the whole anti-DIR issue is dead or at least it's on the table with only one or two guys yelling "Clear!".
 
I have to look back on my little league years and compare them with what I see today going on with kids. My cousin's boy plays soccer. He is going to be eight. The best thing that could happen to his team is for most of the parents to be banned from attending. They are the most disgraceful sight I have seen in a long time. There are parents who hire coaches to teach an 8 yr old how to pass the ball. WTF? I hear of parents getting batting coaches for tee ball players. What ever happened to kids being kids. I thank god that most of the families of kids I played ball with never came to the games. Our grandparents brought us and had the good sense to not be anything but encouraging.

I agree that like these kids games diving should be fun. But soccer and little league is highly unlikely to kill you if you screw up. Diving will. You don't need to have perfect trim for most recreational dives. But if you can't keep from kicking the reef or stirring up the bottom you should stay well away from it. Kicking a reef can kill hundreds of years of growth. Stirring up the bottom ruins dives for others and can in some situations create a dangerous condition. Divers who know their limits I can deal with and respect. Those who insist that they are good enough and are not willing to even try to improve in any way I don't want to be around. Especially on a trip I am paying for. I don't want my dives cut short because someone gets in over their head due to conditions, depth, etc. I don't want to have to put a tank back in someone's BC who is blissfully ignorant that it even came out because they did not set their gear up properly. Having to do that twice on the the same dive with two different divers is why the next dive I went my own way far away from the group.

Have fun, but don't let that get in the way of striving to improve on your skills and knowledge. That is what makes diving fun and safer.
 
Bear in mind that, in baseball, scuba, and any other sport/hobby/pastime under the sun, "fun" can have a lot of different meanings. For some, watching the bubbles and pretty fishies at 30' is their definition of "fun", and that's perfectly valid. For others, it can mean pushing the adrenaline-charged limits where the sunlight gets dim. That's OK too. Just remember that your "fun" is "your" fun, and no one else's, but it's all fun ... or should be. ;)
 
When I was playing little league ball (or mostly sitting the bench), no one ever warned me that baseball played wrong could kill me. No one I know died playing little league ball. If you played for fun and played poorly, the only danger came from disappointed team mates. Maybe this is why some folks get passionate about certain aspects of diving? :dontknow:
 

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