Pervasive "Going Pro" Theme in New Divers

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Health clubs and golf clubs also membership fees ... either monthly, annually or per use. Often those fees are significant.

Would such a model work in the scuba world? One would have to demonstrate the value over the existing approach ... something that, I think, is easier to sell in hindsight.

I think it's as simple as an existing health club hiring some dive instructors and buying some equipment. It's a competitive perk that you can offer your existing clients. The dive club would bring in new members. I understand it's regional, but in some sections of the country a health club/country club/whatever membership is a widely accepted expense that people already have.

If Thal's model were to start as a "value add" from those existing clubs it could turn into a competitive offering that would drive quality amongst a reasonably wealthy segment. I can see how it would work out...
 
I think it's as simple as an existing health club hiring some dive instructors and buying some equipment. It's a competitive perk that you can offer your existing clients. The dive club would bring in new members. I understand it's regional, but in some sections of the country a health club/country club/whatever membership is a widely accepted expense that people already have.

If Thal's model were to start as a "value add" from those existing clubs it could turn into a competitive offering that would drive quality amongst a reasonably wealthy segment. I can see how it would work out...

Wouldn't work well at my health club ... the pool's only four feet deep ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Historically there are between ten and thirty deaths during instruction (amongst US Citizens, or in US waters) each year. The typical case involves a OW student who becomes separated from his or her instructor and is later found ... dead. When a good autopsy is done, the cause of death is typically an AGE. Lies on the medical form rarely have anything to do with this.

I read the DAN fatality report in total each year, and I read every description of every fatality. What you are saying is not at all what I see in those reports at all. I see 1-2 instruction-related deaths per year in North America, and these are usually related to health.
 
For me, as a new diver, if I ever decide to go the DM/Instructor route, it is very far away at least 3+ years away. I feel it necessary to have hundreds of dives and years of experience before I am comfortable with going the pro route. Plus, I just want to have fun with diving as a hobby and sport versus worry about the liability/work factor. I have my day job for this. Plus, based on the research on careers in the industry, it is not lucrative enough for me to pursue full time compared to business and engineering. The running joke I hear is how to become a millionaire in the dive business is to start with two million and open a new dive shop!
 
Do they not have dive clubs in your area? There are several here that are independent of dive shops or other businesses. I pay $30 a year to be a member of the one I belong to. Among the benefits and programs is something we call the "Big Buddy" program ... where experienced divers volunteer their time to mentor less experienced ones. This is one excellent place for all those newly DM'ed divers I was referring to earlier ... they don't have to deal with the responsibility of classes and students, and do possess enough skill and experience to be helpful to someone fresh out of OW, or who doesn't dive very often, or hasn't dived in a while.

If you do belong to a dive club that doesn't have such a program, consider starting one. Not only is it a great way to help bootstrap new divers into more skills and experience, but it's a really rewarding experience for a big buddy in terms of what you'll learn by helping someone else. It's also a great way to grow the membership of your dive club.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
I haven't found one that is active (and close) except the LGBT club in the area and I'm not entirely sure how active they are. A monthly happy hour and an outdated website don't really bode well for an "active" club, in my opinion. The shops around here are pretty good about organizing barbecues and similar things at the local quarry, but I have yet to find a real club that is within a 40 minute drive. There are a couple around and one that is even very active, I'm told, but it's a horrible drive in the traffic around here so I haven't participated.

I've actually been thinking very seriously about starting a club but don't know if I have the time to commit, personally, to building one. Something my wife would also have to been willing to support since it would necessitate a lot of time away from the family, at least initially. I've been meaning to talk to my LDS of choice to see if they're willing to sort of help out in that area.
 
Historically there are between ten and thirty deaths during instruction (amongst US Citizens, or in US waters) each year. The typical case involves a OW student who becomes separated from his or her instructor and is later found ... dead. When a good autopsy is done, the cause of death is typically an AGE. Lies on the medical form rarely have anything to do with this.

This seemed to me to be so totally incorrect that I first went through the last two DAN fatality reports, case by case, to see what they say about fatalities associated with instruction. In those two years combined, there were 4 fatalities associated with OW instruction and 1 fatality associated with AOW instruction. There was another that was hard to define. Here are the summaries. Decide for yourself what this indicates.

2008 Report
06-21 and 06-27: These are so similar that when I read the descriptions I thought it was the same incident repeated. Both divers were 29 years old and obese. The autopsies revealed severe coronary artery disease and the conclusion in each case was that the student had a cardiac event during the dive.

06-51: (This one is troubling.) The student surfaced in a panic while doing an OW dive in a reiver with a strong current and very limited visibility. The student was in a dry suit.

06-73: The description said the diver was a student who had completed pool sessions, but it appears to me that the dive was not done as part of instruction. There is no indication of instruction or an instruction, and the diver was apparently with a buddy only. The cause of death is unknown and is considered "suspicious."

2007 Report
05-32: The student thumbed the training dive and began swimming back to shore. While on the surface he began to struggle and lost consciousness. The cause of death was determined to be a cardiac event.

05-48: The description of this one is sketchy. The student was doing an AOW class and was doing a night dive as his fourth dive of the day. (If this was PADI, it is a standards violation.) He lost consciousness and was brought to the surface by the instructor. There was no determination of a reason for his loss of consciousness.
 
I wonder if all fatalities are reported to DAN. I know of three fatalities under instruction within the last few years here in the Seattle area. One was a young woman in an OW class who disappeared coming back to shore. She was never found, so cause of death is unknown. Another occurred during a buddy separation, and I believe that was signed out as drowning. A third occurred here a week and a half ago (AOW class) and cause of death is so far unknown, but the accident involved a rapid ascent and buddy separation.
 
When I looked into this group in 2010, when I started diving, they weren't active at all... maybe they are now? I'll check them out again...

I'm part of the Atlantis Rangers. Depending on where you live, the drive shouldn't be too bad. We are a fairly active club.
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Feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.
 
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