Ascending on a line?

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Perhaps someone with more than 200 dives that "ran plum out of air a few months ago while focusing on other stuff" should make the following priority list

1. Review your OW training manual and think back to things your OW instructor said about keeping an eye on your air supply.

2. Make a stronger effort to fulfill your SB Challenge.

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Dude, people make mistakes. Hell, I ran plum out of air a few months ago while focusing on other stuff. Did my training cover gas management? Yah it did. Sh*t happens. Didn't mean the sky was falling, didn't mean I'm gunna die. I was just embarrassed.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but your first post suggests to me that the OP shouldn't dive in a situation where he may have to go up his own line. As far as I can tell, that means he shouldn't dive off boats.

Aren't you the guy who bad mouths pony bottles?? Please forgive me if i am wrong.

Also, is it chest thumping if i say that I have dove from a charter boat in Key Largo?
 
Also, is it chest thumping if i say that I have dove from a charter boat in Key Largo?

I am of the opinion that the max depth for diving IN Key Largo from a charter boat is ~15' and the vis sucks. :idk:

Only if you do not use the experience and knowledge gained from that trip to give the OP an answer appropriate to his questions and experience. :coffee:
 
halemanō;5634872:
1. Review your OW training manual and think back to things your OW instructor said about keeping an eye on your air supply.

I only posted that to make a simple point: people are not infallible regardless of their training. The suggestion that because dive boats are moored in 50' viz a diver need not consider procedures for ascending without a fixed line seems to me a bit odd, as is the suggestion that a dive wherein one makes a mistake is a dive he/she shouldn't have made (refer to the post I quoted).

Aren't you the guy who bad mouths pony bottles?? Please forgive me if i am wrong.

Not that I recall. I did have a pony bottle of sorts, but that's beside the point I was trying to make (see above).
 
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Not that I recall. I did have a pony bottle of sorts, but that's beside the point I was trying to make (see above).

I'm easly confused then. I myself ran out of air at around 120 feet while distracted (and solo) myself.

As for Key Largo, i remember depths of around 35 feet maybe?
 
In quite a few dives in all sorts of conditions I've never run out of air/gas. Came pretty close once or twice, but never actually reached that point. Assuming no catastrophic failure, it's a sign of singular lack of planning or lack of attention, and I seriously question whether anyone who EVER runs out of gas (excepting, as I said, catastrophic failure) should even be diving without significant re-training. One of the occasions when I came close was when two of the people I was escorting were air hogs and both ran out without warning at 60ft after a 30 minute dive. I ended up giving my octopus to the first and buddy breathing with the second, and my tank came perilously close to being emptied. Not quite though.
 
I wish I had some of the diving experiences that some of you have reported - it really sounds great and sometimes a little too exciting/adventurous for me!

When boat diving in the Puget Sound/Hood Canal of Washington, it is not uncommon to be dropped off to freely descend - this means that you must be able to ascend without a line. I always thought that this was normal. You watch your gauges (I was originally taught "watch your bubbles"), kicking up slowly/letting air out of your BCD, and not using the BCD as an elevator.

I was diving wrecks in the Red Sea and there was no line to go up and down and this was blue beautifully clear water - it can be very disorienting to some. The Instructor/DM guides would make a big deal about this, but personally, my son and I had no problems maintaining buoyancy in this water. It was wonderful swimming through open water where you could not see the bottom or the surface, just your gauges, including your compass!

Today on South Jetty/Newport, Oregon - I was only at 36 feet (12 meters) in murky water and I wanted to come to the surface to see where I was. I actually "knew" where I was (underwater wise) because I had done this dive many times before, but I wanted to see, for fun, from the surface. There were tidal currents and surge and no visual references after I left the bottom. I watched my gauges going up.

On open ocean dives in my area, the custom is to be dropped off the boat on top of a pinnacle. There is no line left down and the boat is not anchored, so you come up yourself from about 50 to 100 feet. You must have good buoyancy control and watch your gauges. When you surface, the boat comes and picks you up. You might have to blow up your SMB (or sausage) when you reach the surface to make sure the boat crew sees you.

The skill of ascending without visual references was taught to me in my beginning classes years ago. I thought everybody was taught this. Maybe this is a "must" that is only taught/emphasized in the murky waters of the Pacific Northwest.

Going up and down an anchor line or following the sloping bottom on a shore dive is great, but not available on many of our dives.

Heavy tidal currents and surge is common in our diving, but I have never had to deal with the excitement of hanging onto an anchor line and looking like a flag in the open ocean, like some of your described on your wreck dives. I would definitely want a marine radio and/or EPIRB in a water tight container!

Also, deploying a "sausage" and line is a great skill and is fun to do. I have never used one to orient my ascent rate, but more likely to mark a position of a found object or myself. Sometimes they can attract boat traffic, so one must be careful.

Regarding boat traffic, we were taught to freely ascend to our safety stop and then listen very carefully and ascend very carefully (not using BCD as an elevator), kicking to the top, being ready to dive down if necessary (this wasn't so much emphasized, but imagined from "Sea Hunt" :) ), and inflating your BCD only after surfacing.

Again, I read this thread with interest and was surprised at, what sounded like, how few were trained to do ascents without visual references. I guess this is a necessary skill in the cold murky waters of the Pacific Northwest and a tribute to my instructors at ESDS (Thank you Ron, John, and Ed).
 
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Also, is it chest thumping if i say that I have dove from a charter boat in Key Largo?

halemanō;5635039:
I am of the opinion that the max depth for diving IN Key Largo from a charter boat is ~15' and the vis sucks. :idk:

As for Key Largo, i remember depths of around 35 feet maybe?

I guess I should have underlined the "in's" as I have starting this post. I have dove the Jules’ Undersea Lodge lagoon, which is actually deeper than 21 fsw because that is the listed depth of the "entrance" to the motel room. The most popular dive IN Key Largo may be Hyperbaric International's Mark V dive, in the canal fronting their location (max 15').

When one dives Key Largo, seemed to me that most of the dives are more than 5 miles "off" shore, hence my poking fun at your use of the word "in." There are 25 moorings at Molasses Reef, 20 moorings at French Reef and the moorings at the Benwood are pretty close to the wreck, if not attached to it like the moorings for the Spiegle Grove, Duane and Bibb wrecks (last three possibly beyond the op's level).

Within the designated recreation areas there is no-wake only boating and safely surfacing without any line is "damn common" with the "lost tourist" divers; I did it a couple times prior to my Navigation training dives sinking in. If all the "LT's" on a spring break Saturday shot an SMB every time they surfaced, that would make a pretty comical "compressed" video from a lighthouse mounted camera! The recent "fad" of suggesting "every" diver "always" carry an SMB is great for rentals and sales, and really brings in the Volvo station wagon owners that never drive faster than five miles per hour under the speed limit. :rofl3:
 
I prefer to ascend in open water - but I keep this on dive sites that are relatively sheltered like around an island. Dive sites that are out at sea generally have more current therefore doing a safety stop will prob drag you an easy 100 meters away - therefore line ascent more recommended.
In other words it depends on environmental conditions - do you believe that you will be carried far away if you did an open water ascent?
 
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