Yukon tangent thread

[Tortuga68]

The guy that died was about my age but looked 40 pounds heavier than me. I have every expectation that he sucked air quicker than I did

It doesn't work like that. I've seen overweight people with great air comsumption and vice versa

another good idea is to invest in a 100 or 120cf tank

The size of tank isn't relevant here; when you hit your low gas mark, you end the dive. On an AL80 at 100' that should be about 1000psi, although 500 would be enough to do your safety stop and surface if you're solo

 

[alcoxe]

Nor does it guarantee survivability.

I don't remember the exact stats from the DAN Fatality Workshop I attended back in April but of the 900+ fatalities studied over a 10-year period, my impression is that maybe 10-15% were deliberately solo, another 35-40% were involved in buddy separation (accidentially solo in my book), and the rest (50% or so) had buddies with them.

Too often I see posts that claim "If only he'd had a buddy he'd be alive today" and that simply isn't so. (And just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of making that broad claim.)

"Buddy" does not equal "Survive".

"Solo" does not equal "die".

Solo divers get in trouble and survive, and buddy teams get in trouble and die. And vice versa. There's no hard-and-fast rule, though I'll freely concede that your options to solve a problem are very different with a buddy than without one.

End of this rant . . . for now . . . maybe . . .

- Ken

I agree Ken

I was diving in Miami Recently (Im from Norway), and was surprised on how relax they were about people diving Solo. When I asked about a buddy, the comment was "if you want".

I myself have dived solo many times, at least I know my limits, and I am not stressing about diving with someone I don't know.
Then I can enjoy the dive

Your comment about check your air is 100% correct. We are all responsible for our own actions...

That said, it is always sad to hear about another dive passing...

 

[Kendall Raine]

I was there.

Did the boat do a roll call? If so, was it before or after the diver was reported missing? If before, was before or after the boat dropped the mooring?

Thanks,

 

[Cruisin Home]

The size of tank isn't relevant here; when you hit your low gas mark, you end the dive. On an AL80 at 100' that should be about 1000psi, although 500 would be enough to do your safety stop and surface if you're solo[/QUOTE]



You another guy that size doesnt matter! well dive with a 50cf then. I get the small point you are making that no matter what size you must return b4 u run out. Thats where the pony comes in. whatever happend to 1/3 1/3 1/3 on the planning? they not teaching that to you guys now?

 

[Blackwood]

whatever happend to 1/3 1/3 1/3 on the planning? they not teaching that to you guys now?

For all we know this guy planned to ascend after only using 100PSI.

Regardless of whether you use something arbitrary like 1/3 1/3 1/3, surface with 500PSI, something more rigorous like rock bottom, or run an air-integrated computer, it doesn't matter if you aren't paying attention or if you have some life-threatening medical condition.

 

[dirtdiver1]

I am staying away from the boat's time line. If it comes to litigation I do not want a bunch of things to get fur balled. For myself, I am really interested to know what is on the affected diver's computer and camera.

 

[dirtdiver1]

I agree. I am a Navy working diver and if this was a Navy dive I would have been on twin 80's. When it comes to living...more air is better; a good buddy is better than no buddy; and shallower is better than deeper.

Diving is all about risk mitigation.

It's funny. Being around you all makes me want to throw out pearls of wisdom myself!

Dirtdiver

Thanks for the report, one of the very few things on this post that has relavence.

Some advice to you, and I really mean it, dont dive with an 80cf single only on this type of dive with the profile you stated. 300psi is not enough safety. Also failure at depth involves a dangerous emerg ascent. Pony bottle is about $100, get a second hand reg. Great life insurance.
another good idea is to invest in a 100 or 120cf tank. Love my 120cf, in the 1970's and 80s I would have died and gone to heaven for one of these. Look I dived with a 80cf "coke can" many times on these type of dives and even deeper but we didnt have the same options then.

Thanks again for your insight into this tradgedy, it was sorely needed. good luck in future!

 

[Jax]

Did the boat do a roll call? If so, was it before or after the diver was reported missing? If before, was before or after the boat dropped the mooring?

Thanks,

:rtfm: Perhaps you could read the thread.

 

[EastEndDiver]

Kendall according to some on this thread a roll call was NOT performed before the boat left for the next site.

It was easier to answer this question than to put up smileys and not answer the question asked.

 

[ScubaSteve]

Did the boat do a roll call? If so, was it before or after the diver was reported missing? If before, was before or after the boat dropped the mooring?

Thanks,

Am I incorrect in my interpretation of your options above? I interpret this to say, in part, "Did the boat do Roll Call after they realized they were missing a diver?". I think I am safe in saying that they did not take off knowing they were missing a diver. Beyond that, I am fairly certain if you were to read the thread you would get your answer.