Self Servicing Your Regulators

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H20Bubbles

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So, I have read about people self servicing their own regulators. What's involved? How do you go about getting that kind of information on how to do it?

Just curious, as it wouldn't be something you want to screw up.
 
what is involved is taking it apart, fixing the problem, putting it back together, and setting the ip.

I believe there are links to some books in the other threads on this topic... did you try doing a search? I think there were several threads about this just a few weeks ago.

If you want to service your own regs you are going to need some special tools (depending on the reg), access to parts (not really possible depending on the reg), and an ip gauge. You also need to understand how regulators work and it helps to be mechanically inclined.
 
So, I have read about people self servicing their own regulators. What's involved? How do you go about getting that kind of information on how to do it?

Just curious, as it wouldn't be something you want to screw up.

As a good general reference, and to get an idea of what is involved in servicing your own regs, I recommend the book SCUBA Regulator Maintenance and Repair by Vance Harlow. It is available here:

Airspeed Press Homepage - Books For Serious Divers

The book gives you great overview on how regulators function what is involved in servicing them. I think it is a "must read" for all divers just to get a better understanding of how your regulator works.

Should you service your own regulator? That's one of those classic questions that "if you have to ask, the answer is no". It's not rocket science by any means, but does require some basic mechanical skill and above averge attention to detail.

I read Harlow's book cover to cover, and decided that although I was quite comfortable with the mechanics of overhauling a reg, I was not comfortable doing it myself for the first few times without someone experienced looking over my shoulder.... I learned a lot about regs, but decided to send my regs out for service when needed.

Good luck!
 
It won't save you any money, and you won't do it enough to do a good job at it. (Kind of like fixing your car, but you can save money fixing your car because the car hand tools are not really specific). And you can destroy some expensive (and impossible to buy) parts when you do it, leaving you with no choice but to take it to a dive shop to pay the service and parts cost, plus the extra cost of replacing the part you destroyed.

For servicing my rental fleet, I have already spent $400.00 in scuba specific tools, and I still have some more to go. In my particular case, I can save money on repair bills because I am keeping 20 sets in order, and 20 kits times $50.00 annual overhaul fee is a thousand dollars.

All that said, both Zeagle and Dive Rite sell their parts kits to the general public. Those Dealers probably love to sell parts because it actually increases their repair business.

There are a number of people who repair their own gear on the these boards, and (hopefully) see it as an enjoyable activity, rather than a way to save money. Or as a way to keep classic gear (which has no manufacturer support) going. And there are a number of people who service gear for dive shops, who have gone to the manufacturer specific repair classes. (I am one. Off the top of my head: Oceanic, ScubaPro, Mares, Dacor, Sherwood, Atomic, US Divers, Apeks. The classes are not very in depth, but they provide a layer of liability protection.) Mostly, shop gear techs get their knowledge from doing repairs with the expensive tools that really only a dive shop can justify buying from an economic standpoint.

It's a simple thing. "Life support equipment" and all that verbiage aside. Do you feel comfortable free ascending, because of a gear failure, from whatever depth you dive to, and doing whatever surface swim that leaves you with? If the answer is yes, then go ahead and service your own gear. Because you are not going to be able to do a good job at it, if all you ever do is work on your own gear. You just will not get enough practice at it. If gear failures will inconvenience/trouble you, have someone with experience do it. Right now, I would say that the best places are the big online places because they do such a huge volume of repairs. But maybe they don't gear problems specific to your local area.

For instance, living in the Pacific exposes gear to much much much worse corrosion/rust/galvanic action than other places, and it also has bizarre problems like cockroaches eating second stage diaphragm, mouthpiece rubber, and first stage diaphragms. If you live on Oahu (Honolulu) in Hawaiii, you have a guy (one of the few I have ever heard of) who is not shop affiliated, who is certified and experienced in every regulator you ever heard of, and many you have not, plus has the local knowledge to deal with Hawaii specific problems. He's so good that many shops just send their repairs to him, even though it's a two week turnaround usually. And those are people working at dive shops who have the full setup (tools equipment and parts) to do repairs. He will just do it better. It's all he does, all day long, is repair gear. (And teach tech classes for the manufacturers, because he knows more about the gear than the manufacturer's reps.) And then he goes diving at night.
 
Get the Airspeed Press book on regulator repair. Settle on a particular regulator brand and type, and get a copy of the service manual. Learn everything about that particular regulator. It is rumored that Scubapro, Aqualung and some others sponsor a secret society which entails a monopoly on parts. Parts, service bulletins, upgrades, etc require a secret handshake with a robed guy that looks like Lon Chaney, eg, before any money changes hands at midnight. If everything else fails, check EBay. Before actually working on a regulator one will need some basic tools and a few special ones. Go to scubatools.com and shop for the neatest, trick tools. If something won't come apart easily, stop and review. Ask the folks on SB. Somebody might actually help (not everybody is here to sell you something). Notice all the cheapy, plastic parts and little pins and needles in your reg 2nd stg. That stuff can break. The first stage is mostly metal. Brass is soft and doesn't like a lot of torque. If something breaks, take a moment to mourn, swallow your pride and order the replacement piece from a dealer. He might actually be willing to sell it to you. Don't concern yourself with exotic equipment like magnehelic (?) gauges and crap like that. Tune the regulator so it breaths easy, end of story. Well, almost end; there are tricks like submerging the regulator to a certain depth and watching the bubbles to determine sensitivity. Start out with almost any regulator other than the G250HP second stage. Could be just plain ugly unless you are schooled.
 
Servicing your regulators is not very difficult. If you can do a brake job, or rebuild a carburetor you should be able to handle most regulators. It will take time and effort to accumulate knowledge and parts. Tools are relatively easy to come by and need not be too expensive. Many of the special tools can be worked around.

One problem is, once you start doing your own, there is that much less reason not to go out and buy more regulators (used) at really great prices. But you will get more experience that way.

I'm up to about a dozen regs now and still watching.
 
I have a totally different take on the subject. While I agree that it makes life a lot easier to do the work, most (not all- but most) regs do not require special tools or you can make good substitutes if you are a little creative. If you are mechanically inclined enough to repair regs, odds are you already have most of the necessary tools. Other than an IP gauge ($20 or less) and a magnahelic gauge ($25-40 on EBay) or a home made manometer (<$10) there are few "required" tools for the DIYer. Sure some of the special tools make life easier but are far from required for the DIYer. Parts are getting easier to get and if you buy a reg from a company that will support the diver, so much the better. Plus you know yourself, many of the parts are generic and can be bought many places.

Why do you think the DIYer will not do a good job as an "official" tech? I don't have a boss standing over my shoulder pushing me to do more/faster or a dozen customers wanting their reg now. I can take my time, do it right and set the reg just the way I want. Sure there are people who should not touch a reg....or dive for that matter but there are those of us who do a superior job on regs in our own workshop. The whole premise of it "getting done right" by a shop really does not hold that much water, there are a good many threads of regs that fail shortly after a professional repair job. No doubt there are shops with first rate techs, the dive gods smile on any diver who finds such a shop but they are few and far between. On the other side of the coin, there are plenty of fly by night techs that do crappy work. I KNOW my regs are carefully checked and should it fail on a dive there is a good chance I can do the repair on the spot.
I do save quite a bit of money doing my own regs. First off I get to ignore the warranty, I can (and do) service the regs when they need it, not on some arbitrary schedule. Because I do my own repair and understand the operation of my regs I don't waste money doing unnecessary repairs and I don't subject the regs to unnecessary wear and tear during the rebuilds. I keep 3 modern regs maintained. The going rate around here is $25 per stage or $75 per reg plus parts. That's $225 per year that I save on my modern regs alone . Add in the dozen or so vintage regs that almost no one will service that I maintain and I save a lot of money. The satisfaction I get from doing it myself is also worth a good deal to me.

To the OP, I would add the book Regulator Savvy Scuba Tools to your reading list. Between it and Vance's book you can get most of what you need to repair most any reg. If you can find the service manual for the reg, so much the better. Even if you can't find the specific manual for your reg, if you can find a manual for a similar reg you can pretty much figure out the repair procedure of your reg. If you are comfortable replacing the brakes on your car, grab the books listed, find the closest manual you can and go for it. If you want a little more practice find an older reg similar to yours on Ebay and practice on it? You get the experience you want and end up with a spare reg in the process.
 
....................................One problem is, once you start doing your own, there is that much less reason not to go out and buy more regulators (used) at really great prices. But you will get more experience that way.

I'm up to about a dozen regs now and still watching.

No truer words were ever spoken, my collection is still growing. :)
 
Why do you think the DIYer will not do a good job as an "official" tech? .

Experience. It's not the tech classes which are just intro to specialty tools for the most part. You take dry ungreased gear apart that has never been dove-ded. It's the following experience of actually taking gear apart and properly assembling it that really matters. That and the fact that DIYers never use torque wrenches and end up overtorquing every thing on the reg, which leads to early gear death since brass is just not very strong.

But luckily certain manufacturers (Zeagle, Dive Rite) are selling parts to the public now, and certain retailers are selling other parts as well.

Also frogkick.nl.
 
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