I think we're in agreement here. I'm just commenting on previous posters who adamantly believed that the father is a newly certified diver with no clue how to dive himself. Maybe he is, but I really don't see abject incompetence in the video.
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I think we're in agreement here. I'm just commenting on previous posters who adamantly believed that the father is a newly certified diver with no clue how to dive himself. Maybe he is, but I really don't see abject incompetence in the video.
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Just finished my OW certification a few months ago-that's just stupid ( and everyone knows-you just can't fix stupid). Lets all pony up and buy the kid a reg and his own tank (used of course and from LP). I wonder how "accurate" the video really is...
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being a "newly minted" diver myself, I watched the vid before I read all the posts and was taken back. The list included kneeling, not exhailing, no backup reg or air... all the things you guys mentioned. But when they swam off not holding onto one another, I was floored.
Also, I saw some apprehention on the part of the kid. When flooding the mask he didn't seem to be all together with the program.
But I liked the blowfish vs diver vid better
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Also, I saw some apprehention on the part of the kid. When flooding the mask he didn't seem to be all together with the program.
But I liked the blowfish vs diver vid better
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being a "newly minted" diver myself, I watched the vid before I read all the posts and was taken back. The list included kneeling, not exhailing, no backup reg or air... all the things you guys mentioned. But when they swam off not holding onto one another, I was floored.
Also, I saw some apprehention on the part of the kid. When flooding the mask he didn't seem to be all together with the program.
But I liked the blowfish vs diver vid better
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Let's hear it for the puffer fish!!!! shame he did not get the finger off. schmucks.
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Forgive my newbie status, but having been reading this particular forum for a while and having been a climber for 20+ years, it seems to me that in the scuba world, just like the climbing world, one problem or error rarely kills someone. It's nearly always a series of errors, any one of which if removed usually prevents the problem.
Can holding your breath kill you? Sure, but usually only when combined with other errors, right? If one is holding one's breath at a steady depth, one is unlikely to die.
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Only depends on how long you do it
but you have the concept precisely.Problem is, very few divers know if they are ascending and at what rate... especially while under any stress stimulation.
People get all stupid. It's just easier to reinforce the "keep breathing/exhale" mantra.
I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it... but the kid shows some good skills... better than a lot of people I see in the water. Moves well... very comfortable. No apparent signs of anxiety...
I DON'T belive dad is a *newly certified diver*... his moves are very smooth... and his interaction with the youngin' looks more 'pro' than rookie...
... and... ummm... how old is the child? PADI allows 10 year olds to get a cert... maybe the kid is small for his age???
... too many unknowns to warrant going ballistic at this point.
I DON'T belive dad is a *newly certified diver*... his moves are very smooth... and his interaction with the youngin' looks more 'pro' than rookie...
... and... ummm... how old is the child? PADI allows 10 year olds to get a cert... maybe the kid is small for his age???
... too many unknowns to warrant going ballistic at this point.
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Wow, I thought that I would be flamed (more). I can assure everyone that the very slow progression of training a young child to first freedive, then to do mask clearing skills (without scuba) and other skills like removal and recovery of mask fins and snorkel from "the deep end" all serve to provide the child with good watermanship skills and confidence in their abilities and the ability to function well underwater when slightly stressed. Taking then snorkeling many times in the open ocean also provides skills and confidence that is just not available in a typical scuba class.
I went through all these steps before the scuba gear comes in play. The issue about ensuring that the child understands the consequences of holding their breath is vital, but it is not a whole lot more abstract than ensuring that they understand that riding their bike down the driveway and into the street without looking for traffic is also potentially fatal. Of course kids get run over by cars all the time, but this is a risk that SOME parents are willing to expose their children to.
I do not condone this type of training, and there are relatively few 8 yr olds that can probably do it, but my two boys were able to. For open water, we started off with a 6 ft hose and I kept the kid pretty much under my arm. He was NOT going up unless I allowed it and I needed to see bubbles before we moved up. After a few dives like that (in say 8-10 ft), then I put the kid on his own 30 cu-ft pony bottle mounted on a simple backpack. We then alternate back and forth from the long hose and to the pony bottle, which allows an extension of the dive time. Regulator removal , mask removal, true buddy breathing are all mastered early on. If the water is warm, the exposure suit can be minimal and the bouyancy swing is negligible, so a BC is not really needed.
If weighted well, kids learn bouyancy control well using only their lungs and when they do finally tranistion to a BC, they are not prone to fidgeting with their BC constantly like many OW students (and cetified divers) do. Their freedive training also allows them to comfortable do headfirst descents, clear ears quickly and also be able to swim and use fins well.
I've been diving now for over a year with my son who recently turned 10. He dives with a full compliment of dive gear including a knife, weight belt, BC, 6 cu-ft pony bottle, 63 cu-ft primary tank, light etc. He has done a couple of night dives and the last one we had fairly high current and visibility was bad (around 8 feet). He has a great time at night! I'm not inclined to pursue certification for him anytime in the near future.
I find it funny that so many people were so critical of the video. FWIW, the kids trim and bouyancy looked pretty damn good to me.
I went through all these steps before the scuba gear comes in play. The issue about ensuring that the child understands the consequences of holding their breath is vital, but it is not a whole lot more abstract than ensuring that they understand that riding their bike down the driveway and into the street without looking for traffic is also potentially fatal. Of course kids get run over by cars all the time, but this is a risk that SOME parents are willing to expose their children to.
I do not condone this type of training, and there are relatively few 8 yr olds that can probably do it, but my two boys were able to. For open water, we started off with a 6 ft hose and I kept the kid pretty much under my arm. He was NOT going up unless I allowed it and I needed to see bubbles before we moved up. After a few dives like that (in say 8-10 ft), then I put the kid on his own 30 cu-ft pony bottle mounted on a simple backpack. We then alternate back and forth from the long hose and to the pony bottle, which allows an extension of the dive time. Regulator removal , mask removal, true buddy breathing are all mastered early on. If the water is warm, the exposure suit can be minimal and the bouyancy swing is negligible, so a BC is not really needed.
If weighted well, kids learn bouyancy control well using only their lungs and when they do finally tranistion to a BC, they are not prone to fidgeting with their BC constantly like many OW students (and cetified divers) do. Their freedive training also allows them to comfortable do headfirst descents, clear ears quickly and also be able to swim and use fins well.
I've been diving now for over a year with my son who recently turned 10. He dives with a full compliment of dive gear including a knife, weight belt, BC, 6 cu-ft pony bottle, 63 cu-ft primary tank, light etc. He has done a couple of night dives and the last one we had fairly high current and visibility was bad (around 8 feet). He has a great time at night! I'm not inclined to pursue certification for him anytime in the near future.
I find it funny that so many people were so critical of the video. FWIW, the kids trim and bouyancy looked pretty damn good to me.
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