Creation vs. Evolution

[Soggy]

As far as reason and logic being our moral guide, who taught you?

Initially, my parents, but later I studied ethics fairly extensively in college and generally just carefully consider the consequences of my actions as best as I can, using the concept of avoiding harm to others as my primary guide.

Were you born with this knowledge?

I think that some basic social behaviors are innate as a result of evolution (avoid killing members of your own species, for example), but many are learned behaviors.

I think having written lessons about what has been learned as far as how to function as a peaceful society is a good thing. What you're implying is that you have nothing to learn from your elders. ?? At least that's what I gather from your statement.

The problem is, they aren't lessons. They are instructions "Don't do this because God will smite you" type of thing. That only works on the lowest common denominator. Most people need to understand *why* they shouldn't do these things. The only way to do this is to understand how to reason. Frankly, I think ethics and logic should be classes required at the high school level.

 

[AXL72]

Good analogy Axl
Sarcasm back at you.

LMAO

yes, I guess that would be the hint for me to quietly shut up before I get really spanked.

 

[ChilledMammal]

As far as reason and logic being our moral guide, who taught you? Were you born with this knowledge? I think having written lessons about what has been learned as far as how to function as a peaceful society is a good thing. What you're implying is that you have nothing to learn from your elders. ?? At least that's what I gather from your statement.

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."

Well not sure how much help that is, but better to hang on to them I guess. Bad luck for any poor blokes with testicular cancer.

 

[AXL72]

Well not sure how much help that is, but better to hang on to them I guess. Bad luck for any poor blokes with testicular cancer.

No worries..."God is the one that gave them the cancer"

 

[dlndavid]

Initially, my parents, but later I studied ethics fairly extensively in college and generally just carefully consider the consequences of my actions as best as I can, using the concept of avoiding harm to others as my primary guide.

Good way to be, more people should have this in their "Prime Directive"

I think that some basic social behaviors are innate as a result of evolution (avoid killing members of your own species, for example), but many are learned behaviors.

Killing is a little more than a basic social behavior, but it still may be an innate charactaristic of human behavior.

The problem is, they aren't lessons. They are instructions "Don't do this because God will smite you" type of thing. That only works on the lowest common denominator. Most people need to understand *why* they shouldn't do these things. The only way to do this is to understand how to reason.

What are lessons? Learning from other's mistakes is one way. Once you have this type of knowledge, you can then apply reason and logic as to why.

Frankly, I think ethics and logic should be classes required at the high school level.

Who's ethics Soggy?

And I don't think you can teach logic, it has a very broad application.

 

[Soggy]

Killing is a little more than a basic social behavior, but it still may be an innate charactaristic of human behavior.

There is a very clear distinction between murder and killing. One is clearly morally objectionable (murder), one is not necessarily (killing).

Who's ethics Soggy?

Well, there have been people writing about ethics for centuries. Perhaps I should introduce you to Socrates, Plato, Kant, Hume, Locke, Descartes, and the multitude of other philosophers that not only discuss ethics in depth, but explain the rationale behind the conclusions they came to.

And I don't think you can teach logic, it has a very broad application.

Clearly you have never taken a class on or studied the subject, as you are just flat out incorrect about this assumption.

 

[Sas]

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."

Well not sure how much help that is, but better to hang on to them I guess. Bad luck for any poor blokes with testicular cancer.

I wonder how they enforced this one back in the day...

 

[AXL72]

I wonder how they enforced this one back in the day...

Does it answer the question of sexual abuse of alter boys?

"checking if you are pure enough to get into the kingdom of heaven"

 

[Hank49]

There is a very clear distinction between murder and killing. One is clearly morally objectionable (murder), one is not necessarily (killing).





Well, there have been people writing about ethics for centuries. Perhaps I should introduce you to Socrates, Plato, Kant, Hume, Locke, Descartes, and the multitude of other philosophers that not only discuss ethics in depth, but explain the rationale behind the conclusions they came to.



Clearly you have never taken a class on or studied the subject, as you are just flat out incorrect about this assumption.

I haven't read much of the philosophers you mention but are their ethics much different than those in the Bible?
As far as classes on logic, logical reasoning is really more an indication of a level of intelligence isn't it? Some have more inborn deductive reasoning capability. It's not something that can really be taught, other than historical instances. When faced with a new problem, you can solve it or you can't based on your ability to observe and successfully deduct logically. (although many times to obvious logical answer is incorrect)

 

[Sas]

I haven't read much of the philosophers you mention but are their ethics much different than those in the Bible?
As far as classes on logic, logical reasoning is really more an indication of a level of intelligence isn't it? Some have more inborn deductive reasoning capability. It's not something that can really be taught, other than historical instances. When faced with a new problem, you can solve it or you can't based on your ability to observe and successfully deduct logically. (although many times to obvious logical answer is incorrect)

:O

Words escape me.