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The_DivePirate, what is the big deal if you need help zipping a drysuit?? If someone is willing to help you, it's no big deal. I am always happy to help people put on their wetsuits or tanks, etc. I am lucky my wetsuit is easy to get on! But if it wasn't, I'd get people to help me :)
 
Naui DM requirement of 50 OW dives

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Don't mean to pick but it is actually 60. No biggy.
 
The_DivePirate, what is the big deal if you need help zipping a drysuit?? If someone is willing to help you, it's no big deal. I am always happy to help people put on their wetsuits or tanks, etc. I am lucky my wetsuit is easy to get on! But if it wasn't, I'd get people to help me :)

There was nothing meant by that at all! If you had read the whole thread you should have spotted the meantion of not being able too don a drysuit by yourself. It had nothing too do with zipping it yourself, but you should know that your arms should go in first before your head. After all this, and seing how things are being taken out of context, it's a wonder how the numbers of problem divers are not at epical levels. Had nothing too do with getting help or even asking for help or advice, it had to do with competent divers acting competently.
I think more instructors should have the balls fail someone that does not present themselves as safe divers. Look at it this way, If you couldn't trust them too dive with someone you care for, why are instructors giving these students a liscense too harm themselves, instead of telling them they need more training too become a SAFE diver!
Is it for the money? Or for the love of the sport? Because if it's for the love of the sport, I think the student would respect you more for the truthfull words of safety. You don't have too be snide about it, but let them know you don't feel secure with their safety at this time, and what you are shooting for is training a safe secure diver. because safe diving is fun diving, and unsafe diving is scary diving, and who wants too be scared while diving. NOT ME!!!!!

Joe
 
Back to the intertwined topic...
That Naui statement is pretty much factually correct, but it does not either mean or imply that warmed water is what keeps you warm. Water, if cooler than your body surface temp, cannot be insulation as it is a heatsink, drawing heat from you. In fact, the entire purpose of insulation is to provide separation between you, the source of heat, and the ocean water which is a rather massive heatsink. The greater the thickness of the insulation, up to a point, the less the heat loss.

The Naui comment about the need for snug fit means that too loose a fit would allow too much water to flow too rapidly over your body. Because water is a heatsink, too much heat would be removed by that water.

If there is an error in the Naui statement, it is with the word "trapped." This implies that it cannot get out at all, which is not true. It got in; it can and does get out.

As to water entering the wetsuit, well, if it were a "perfect" wetsuit it would be a drysuit. It starts out dry, of course, but dang, some gets in, doesn't it? Does that mean that no more enters after the initial bit? Nope. A small amount enters continuously while an equally small amount flushes through and out. As someone above said, how else would pee get removed?

Check out the links below.

http://www.surfing-waves.com/wetsuit.htm

Wetsuits, Shortie Wetsuit for Children & Adults: Buy Wet Suits all Sizes

Wetsuit Advice Information How to put on a Wetsuit - First Wetsuit

PINNACLE - HOW WETSUITS WORK from LOOE DIVERS



This one here is my personal favorite.

Caves.com : A site about caves.
 
Seems that alot of people here are putting PADI out on the line too dry. I haven't read ALL the posts, but it didn't seem anyone was saying which agency the op was affiliated with. Seems that there are some guilty consciences out there, and you know what they say about guilty consciences, there's usually a reason for it!! When I was getting my ow and aow certs., the wife of one of the shop owners who had too make such a big deal of getting a MASTER DIVER cert (which she had) but she couldn't even remember how too put together her gear by herself, let alone don her own drysuit. That was a wife of a LDS owner, and if that is the credentials to become a MASTER DIVER well than I don't plan on Putting Another Dollar In. I guess, if your gonna claim too be the BEST agency, and act as if it were the case, you should make sure your instructors were not putting out sub par divers. In regards too the statement above, most agencies will crossover other agencies pro's without major hassle, while others are just too proud (of what, is my question?)

So, in regards too the whole issue at hand, yes the instructor has a bit too do with it, but a student can take even sub par instruction and become a perfectly safe diver!!
Also, in that a student can take the greatest instruction and butcher it. My only hope, is that the students I train, will present themselves and my instruction with nothing other than being safe and well informed divers!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel it is my responsibilty too train safe and responsible divers, if not for them, for the divers they will be diving with as well as the loved ones they should be returning home too see. So, if your looking for a quick cert. that you probably won't remember, get a hold of someone else. I want too be remembered as an instructor who cared and gave his students his all, not the "cracker jack box" training facility.:no

Joe

Most certs are PADI certs, so its not much risk to assume its PADI. The criticism is also consistent with the typical PADI bashing. The problem here is as usual you blame the agency, and not the diver.
 
Lucky you~ Perhaps this guy is not so lucky... or was just very seasick? I have been seasick once and I could barely stand and concentrate. As I have said before, I was under instruction so possibly would not have dived if I wasn't being supervised... but a couple of minutes in the water I was feeling awesome! I mean, I am just putting forward a theory based on my own experience, because I don't like how some people have assumed this guy is an idiot or a bad diver. He may be a terrible diver, or he might have just had a bad day - happens to everyone.

Again ... I can give him the benefit of the doubt that he was seasick and that may have contributed to his not being able to put his gear together ... for his second dive. But that doesn't explain why he would have trouble on the first dive, when people set up their gear as soon as they get on the boat. It would be a far stretch to think the guy was that seasick from the minute he set foot on the boat, even before it left the dock.
 
Garrobo,

We hear from folks that need to wear a 7mm in Bonaire so let's not bag him for his choice of suits.


yeah, I agree. not to beat up on the op, but I'm a cold water wuss. I wore a 3mm in Bonaire last year, and will be wearing a 5/3 custom Rubatex or my 7mm next trip. After averaging 5-6 dives a day, with SI's spent in an air conditioned car I got chilled on the last day or two's diving.
 
yeah, I agree. not to beat up on the op, but I'm a cold water wuss. I wore a 3mm in Bonaire last year, and will be wearing a 5/3 custom Rubatex or my 7mm next trip. After averaging 5-6 dives a day, with SI's spent in an air conditioned car I got chilled on the last day or two's diving.

I'll confirm this statement for Flightlead :)

The water has to be 86+ for me to drop the wet suit. People look at me funny sometimes but when they are trembling on the boat I am snug.

75 - 85 3mm
60 - 74 5mm
39 - 59 7mm FJ or Dry
 
My thermal limits are:

Colder than 21c / 70f == drysuit
Between 21c(70f) and 28c (82f) == 3mm undervest + 5mm semi dry + 3mm shortie. Unless long series or long deco in which case its drysuit

Above 28c (82f) = 5mm full length semi and 3mm vest.

Never do i wear less than the 5mm+3mm vest.
 

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