Aow=bs

[D_B]

I am lucky, It seems I had an instructor like you, DivePirate
I vividly remember him having a seemingly limitless passion for the sea, and of thinking safety first and how to instill that in his students so that they will be safe divers that have fun dives
While I've always been comfortable underwater, I atribute any compliments that I have ever recieved on my diving, to him and his care .. I do think a good instructor is far more important than the agency he works for .. he can fail you, or pass you, it is his call after all

 

[bfw]

Yep, glad you said "in this particular case", cause that is not the case with everyone

That's irrelevant as regards the value of the credential. The purpose of a credential is to reliably convey USEFUL information about the holder. As such, a single counter-example kills the rule. I renders the credential worthless.

 

[ucfdiver]

let alone don her own drysuit.

I must be a bad diver as well, I can't zip my own drysuit.

 

[ScubaAddictedLisa]

You are forgetting he was very seasick Lisa. From my own experience, it is hard to concentrate on setting up gear when you are getting really sick like this guy was. I could set up my gear no worries from the first pool session but I struggled on my first boat dive as I was so seasick. I am wary of judging people's abilities when they are sick, or upset, etc...

I actually get seasick myself. Not when I'm in the water, but at the surface intervals. But I still get my gear set up for my second dive, no problem.

But, ok, I will give you that he was very seasick .... but I can only assume this for his second dive (I'm assuming this was a 2-tank boat excursion) People usually set up their gear when they first get on the boat for the first dive, usually prior to the boat leaving the dock, or very soon after. So "seasick" wouldn't necessarily hold up as a reason for not being able to set up his gear on that first dive.

 

[D_B]

That's irrelevant as regards the value of the credential. The purpose of a credential is to reliably convey USEFUL information about the holder. As such, a single counter-example kills the rule. I renders the credential worthless.

:huh:
So all AOW training is BS then???
and by the same measure, all recreational certs are too ??

 

[seaducer]

How do we get from a post ragging on some poor seasick new diver to PADI bashing?

 

[wreckchick]

How do we get from a post ragging on some poor seasick new diver to PADI bashing?

Unless I've fallen into an alternate universe, it's still Scubaboard.

 

[The_DivePirate]

I must be a bad diver as well, I can't zip my own drysuit.

Well, if you're not sure what goes in first, your head or your arms, then maybe you shouldn't be diving a drysuit. Let's not be silly here! SCUBA is a serious sport and should be treated as such! When I took all the classes I've taken to this point, I've treated each one as if, "I don't know this, and if I want too LIVE I should pay the utmost attention my instructor and learn from this!!" Yeah, I realize that some instructors don't have a clue about decompression theory, or even theoretical depths caused by altitude, but gearing up and displaying proper buoyancy should be second nature that students should catch and want to excel in.
As far as zipping your own drysuit, it's a real shame you can't handle that yourself. I found out early on with my rear entry drysuit that I needed to figure out a way too don this thing myself. First it starts with a well maintained zipper, second a rubber snubber, and last but not least, a side view mirror on tall pickup truck. If you need help figuring it out from here send me a pm and I'll see what I can do. Even easier, buy a self donning suit. It may be cheaper than a tall truck and rubber snubber.

Joe

 

[Sas]

I actually get seasick myself. Not when I'm in the water, but at the surface intervals. But I still get my gear set up for my second dive, no problem.

Lucky you~ Perhaps this guy is not so lucky... or was just very seasick? I have been seasick once and I could barely stand and concentrate. As I have said before, I was under instruction so possibly would not have dived if I wasn't being supervised... but a couple of minutes in the water I was feeling awesome! I mean, I am just putting forward a theory based on my own experience, because I don't like how some people have assumed this guy is an idiot or a bad diver. He may be a terrible diver, or he might have just had a bad day - happens to everyone.

Excellent point but if he was that sick, he should not have been diving. I know a few people who are miserable and get sick easily on the ride out but are fine in the water. They love diving so much they put up with being sick and just accept it as part of the package. Me, I don't know if I could do that.

True. I guess that is up to the person, this guy may be one of those people who love it but get sick. The OP does not seem to have had a discussion with him to find out, or to see if he needed help before deciding to publicly ridicule him, so I guess we will never know!

 

[pir8]

Sorry but when I'm diving in conditions that warrent wearing a dry suit I will have someone else around.