Would you dive with someone who wouldn't share air if you were OOA?

[MXGratefulDiver]

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that we bash anyone. I was opining that this thread had outlived it's usefulness.

I agree ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Papa_Bear]

 

[Thalassamania]

I vote to close it down.

 

[do it easy]

I vote to close it down.

I think that would admit defeat. My vote is that we get back to useful discourse

 

[jadams]

Greed is one of the seven DEADLY sins, especially if I'm OOA and you have some. However, if I'm OOA, I messed up first. I might take that into consideration if you're bigger, stronger and meaner than me. Otherwise, see you on the other side.

That's the long and smart**s answer. The short answer is: I would never dive with anyone who would not share air, nor would I refuse to help a fellow diver with whatever I could, whenever I could.

 

[Gary D.]

If we use that analogy, would feel confident going into a potential gunfight knowing your partner and other responding officers are going to leave you hanging at the first shot? They will run away to preserve their own life and you are on your own?

I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the squadroom after that incident...

It appears that you missed the point. Using your gun fight as an example, which is an extremely rare situation everyone still must act as a team. BUT each individual LEO must do their part in preserving their own safety and not just try and rely on everyone else to save your bacon. It's still a team effort but #1 is still responsible for #1.

It’s one of those things that if you’re not one you won’t fully understand.

The same applies to diving. No diver should rely 100% on a buddy. They need to focus more on education and becoming more self sufficient. It boils down to either being sheep relying on someone to protect you or learning how to protect yourself.

So what happens when all of a sudden that buddy isn’t there anymore? Do you still rely on them?

Gary D.

 

[Papa_Bear]

It appears that you missed the point. Using your gun fight as an example, which is an extremely rare situation everyone still must act as a team. BUT each individual LEO must do their part in preserving their own safety and not just try and rely on everyone else to save your bacon. It's still a team effort but #1 is still responsible for #1.

It’s one of those things that if you’re not one you won’t fully understand.

The same applies to diving. No diver should rely 100% on a buddy. They need to focus more on education and becoming more self sufficient. It boils down to either being sheep relying on someone to protect you or learning how to protect yourself.

So what happens when all of a sudden that buddy isn’t there anymore? Do you still rely on them?

Gary D.

Your going to take fire for this! Amen!

 

[Gombessa]

The same applies to diving. No diver should rely 100% on a buddy.

That's the part of your argument I don't understand. Having a buddy who is willing and able to share does not mean you are suddenly relying 100% on him or her. Similarly, someone could have doubles or a pony and still reasonably refuse to dive with a buddy who refuses to share air; doing so obviously is not for the reason that they are 100% dependent on the buddy.

 

[Papa_Bear]

Alaska SeaLife Center diver dies in training

Associated Press - September 26, 2007 10:34 AM ET

SEWARD, Alaska (AP) - A 44-year-old diver with the Alaska SeaLife Center has died during a scientific training session in Resurrection Bay.

Alaska State Troopers say Matthew Myers of Anchorage died yesterday (Tuesday) after signaling to his diving partner that his tank had run out of oxygen.

Myers was part of a two-person team diving near Fox Island.

A person identified only as a "master diver" surfaced successfully.

But troopers say Myers was not able to manipulate his secondary air supply or take off his weight belt as instructed.

According to troopers, both divers began swimming to shore, but then Myers slipped under the water and did not resurface.

SeaLife Center divers and searchers located Myers an hour after he went missing.

Panic kills and his buddy was not able to give him air? But then again if he was on the surface he didn't need it if he could have removed his belt, but panic took over! Out of air didn't kill him panic did! And his buddy couldn't save him!

 

[Chugger]

Honestly, you should never run out of air, but things do arise that are beyond the divers control. If some schmuck said he/she wouldn't share air with me if I ran out, they wouldn't be diving with me, that's for sure. I think they call it "buddy" for a reason. If they wouldn't share air with you, on the rare occasion you go OOA, What kind of "buddy" is that?