Tonka97's Five Scenarios for John Chatterton

[Kim]

J.K.Rowling has only written 7 books (and two supplements).

Does that make her an amateur too? :blinking:

 

[El Orans]

NetDoc – how about offering a reward – like an extra gold star on our status to the team that finally exposes tonka97?

It can be done...:rofl4:

 

[UnderSeaBumbleBee]

J.K.Rowling has only written 7 books (and two supplements).

Does that make her an amateur too? :blinking:

Yep and when she wrote the first one it was a blockbuster hit.

And what about the guy who wrote The Firm?

And Nicholas Sparks used to live just a few miles from my house until his first book.

Or Ms Harper Lee who wrote to Kill a Mocking Bird? I think that was her only book.

 

[tonka97]

It can be done...:rofl4:

Killing the messenger?

I again paraphrase Gary Gentile from Shadow Divers Exposed, with the purpose of creating a query:

John,

Your book Shadow Divers gives you credit for discovering the Ultra decrypts which identified the U-869, and which determined that it was proceeding to the precise location of its ultimate demise. Yet Mark McKellar actually unearthed this valuable information, and passed it along to you in a spirit of cooperation.

Why did you not even acknowledge Mark McKellar's existence in Shadow Divers?

 

[paradicio]

I've not gotten to this point in the book yet, so I'm not sure about the scenario... But John was not the author of Shadow Divers. Who made it into the book and who did not make it into the book was not his decision to make. That decision rests solely on the shoulders of the author. This is pretty basic stuff...

Killing the messenger?

I again paraphrase Gary Gentile from Shadow Divers Exposed, with the purpose of creating a query:

John,

Your book Shadow Divers gives you credit for discovering the Ultra decrypts which identified the U-869, and which determined that it was proceeding to the precise location of its ultimate demise. Yet Mark McKellar actually unearthed this valuable information, and passed it along to you in a spirit of cooperation.

Why did you not even acknowledge Mark McKellar's existence in Shadow Divers?

 

[tonka97]

I've not gotten to this point in the book yet, so I'm not sure about the scenario... But John was not the author of Shadow Divers. Who made it into the book and who did not make it into the book was not his decision to make. That decision rests solely on the shoulders of the author. This is pretty basic stuff...

Paradicio, you may be interested in this query, paraphrased from information contained in Shadow Divers Exposed:

John,

Did you employ Robert Kurson to write your story, and approve (along with Kohler) every detail that was presented in Shadow Divers?

Or do you distance yourself from the actual content of Shadow Divers, a book copyrighted by Kurson, Kohler, and you?

Page X in Shadow Divers: "This is their story. All of it is true and accurate. Nothing is imagined or interpreted, and no literary liberties have been taken".

A book with the subtitle of "The True Adventure of Two Americans Who Risked Everything to Solve One of the Last Mysteries of World War II"

 

[Jimmer]

Seriously Tonka, what part of John Chatterton and Richie Kohler didn't write shadow divers don't you understand? You keep attacking John claiming that he is openly taking all the credit for this find, when he is clearly not, and has never claimed to. All of your questions seem to revolve around a book written by a third party, based on interviews with several people. Get over it.

 

[bogrady]

I know his full name and could even point you to some interesting information about the man. NO, I won't get into that game. While Tonka might be obsessed with John, I am not obsessed with Tonka.

Good point oh great Doc of the Net. I'll think turn my attention to something more relevant than the identity of the tonker - I'm off to the BC forum to see if I can spark an equally fruitless discussion about jacket BC's vs. BP/W.

BTW - Excellent job of moderating this forum - as whacky as we may think tonka97 is, the discourse has been challenging but civil. Thanks for giving us all a place to make our case.

 

[ianw2]

If there's another point to this thread, I've somehow missed it.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Bob:

This thread sure started out to be an insult to Mr. Chaterton.

However, I am impressed that the man himself chose to repond and do so in such an eloquent manner. I am equally impressed by the high regard that others who i respect have for the gentleman. In the end, Bob, in my opinion, the thread has only elevated Mr. Chaterton and reduced certain others.

After having read the bok and enjoyed the exploits, I can see where there could be other "opinions". It seems to me that, with the "strong" personalities involved, such "disagreements" would be bound to happen.

It's just a pity that such vitriolic vituperation had to come into the thread.


Mr. Chaterton: thank you for responding here. I have enjoyed your posts as I enjoyed the book and your series (all TiVo'd...now, how do I get them from TiVo to DVD?)...

Cheers!

Ian Wilson

 

[rawls]

John,

Your book Shadow Divers gives you credit for discovering the Ultra decrypts which identified the U-869, and which determined that it was proceeding to the precise location of its ultimate demise. Yet Mark McKellar actually unearthed this valuable information, and passed it along to you in a spirit of cooperation.

Why did you not even acknowledge Mark McKellar's existence in Shadow Divers?

From Gary Gentile's SDE


McKellar did not want his article pre-empted, so he kept the particulars to himself. He especially did not want me - an author and historian - to have access to his privileged information until after he published.

I pleaded with McKellar to share his information with Chatterton, Yurga, and Kohler (who were not writers and, therefore, were not competitors), even if he would not share it with me. For the cause of history, I was willing to step out of the picture. After some urging, McKellar did so. He also wrote to Robert Coppock and informed him of the Ultra decrypts. Once the Ultra secret was revealed to me, I obtained the same information that McKellar had found.

IMHO...It is unclear as to when or if McKellar came to give John and Richie this information. It seems as if he actually gave the info to Coppock???
One person Mr. Gentile charges that was also left out of the fray of contributors was Barb Lander which is a falsehood because she was mentioned several times in the book and was actually with John when he went to the archives to read the Ultra information.

This is where it gets interesting...McKellar did not want to give Mr. Gentile the information because he (McKellar) evidently wanted to write about it and not let Mr. Gentile usurp his article fearing, because Mr. Gentile is an author and historian, he might do so. Mr. Gentile states he pleaded with Mckellar to divulge the info to John and Richie. Mr. Gentile said McKellar agreed. Now...Why on earth would McKellar give John and Richie information knowing the 2 were trying to find the ID of the U-Who bigtime...It would seem Mckellar would have been taking a much bigger chance divulging the information to John and RIchie than to Mr. Gentile. Hmmm...Smells a bit fishy...
And...Once again...McKellar, nor anyone else I can recall, was quoted in SDE backing up this charge...