Tonka97's Five Scenarios for John Chatterton

[Gombessa]

It appears that since Bill Nagle's death, that Chatterton has sought to credit himself for the discovery.

This is SUCH a weird allegation. Did Tonka not read the first chapter (or even the first 5 pages) of Shadow Divers? It's made explicitly clear where and who the coordinates came from.

Also, from his own Gentile quote about who the skipper, crew, and divers were, there is NOTHING Tonka posted that contradicts the SD account that Chatterton was the first to go down, determine that the unknown object was a sub, and relay the information to the rest of the divers.

Is this just coming down to common trolling? If he doesn't start making sense, maybe we should just close the thread...

 

[The Chairman]

Is this just coming down to common trolling?

This very scenario has been proposed before.

 

[Wayward Son]

Is this just coming down to common trolling? If he doesn't start making sense, maybe we should just close the thread...

That's all it's been for over a year.

 

[Bismark]

I don't know Gentile but he would have to be pretty embarassed by what Tonka is doing. Jeez, even if I was JC's worst enemy I would find this attempt at character assasination pretty pathetic, weak and the by-product of someone with a computer who has probably doesn't even dive. That is the problem with the internet and people hiding behind identities: lets a 12 year old who read two books put their ideas on the internet. The really sad thing is the guy just won't shut up.....even when he looks like ........

 

[all4scuba05]

The truth is that I was on the fishing boat with the captain who gave Nagel the coordinates. My fishing line got caught on the sub wreck. So I believe I was the won that discovered it.

 

[bladephotog]

Common sense tells me that credit for the discovery of U-869 should be given to Bill Nagle, or to the ENTIRE group of divers and skipper.

[/QUOTE]

Your common sense is flawed. By this reasoning the credit for discovering the wreck should go to none of them but instead to the fisherman who provided Nagel with the numbers.

Chatterton found the only concrete proof of the identity of the sub. He and Kohler were subjects of a book. If Kurson didn't credit other people who helped on this project then you should take it up with him and not try to ruin the reputation of Chatterton and Kohler. They were directly involved, you weren't were you?

 

[mheaster]

If memory serves (I am recalling this from a feeble memory of the book) but as Nagle's crewman, didn't JC dive (solo) to set the anchor and as such was the 1st person to lay eyes on (in last 50-ish years) the U-Boat?

 

[Ice9]

It appears that since Bill Nagle's death, that Chatterton has sought to credit himself for the discovery.

I can't believe I'm actually posting in this thread, but DUDE!

Shadow Divers Chapter 1, paragraph 1, sentence 1:

"Bill Nagle's life changed the day a fisherman sat beside him in a ramshackle bar and told him about a mystery he had found lying at the bottom of the atlantic ocean."

That doesn't sound to me anything like, "John Chatterton discovered the U-869."

Please take your meds and drop it?? Jeez...

 

[paradicio]

I'm almost through Shadow Divers now, and I'm really not finding anything resembling JC being a glory hound or wanting to take all the credit for the wreck discovery / identification. The impression the book gives me is: yes JC and RK are the main characters, but the research that went into trying to identify it was really a team effort. I wasn't there, I don't know for sure. This is just the impression I got from the book.

This wreck killed people. People JC knew. I'm really can't believe he would dishonor the memory of the fallen by trying to take all the credit for himself. And frankly an accusation to the contrary is an insult to JC. It's really a credit to him that his responses have been as kind as they've been. Mine would be a lot less gracious.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

... an insult to JC.

If there's another point to this thread, I've somehow missed it.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)