Censorship and SB..how far are we going to take this???

[MXGratefulDiver]

So let me get this right....

You want me to work all day long in my cube farm where crop dusting is frowned upon trying to please THE MAN just to make a dollar out of 15 cents. And then..get home after a long commute up hill both ways...eat dinner, check my personal email, and then when/if I decide to come on here I am suppose to act like an ADULT?????

Sure you can tell me if I dont like to just not log on...but that isnt very community minded is it?

Excuse me, but seeing that just about every scuba question has been covered from farting into a drysuit to technical snorkeling with staged snorkels...all people have to do is use the search function.

With that said, I will not act like an adult...instead I will behave like a teenager because I cant most of the day. As long as I dont threaten anyone with verbal/physical abuse I think I can use this board however I see fit...be it for my own hormonal gains or in case I want to see the latest discussion on mask clearing and what new techniques have been created that allow one to blow out their nostrils.

"I know you'd like to thank your siht don't stank
But lean a little bit closer
See that roses really smell like boo-boo
Yeah, roses really smell like boo-boo"

... so if you refuse to act like an adult, then why are you asking to be treated like one?



... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[jepuskar]

Because as an adult I should be able to choose how I want to act....not be told how to act.

...ohhh I see how that can be confusing to some/all. The term 'adult' is debatable based on context. Some consider an adult anyone over 18, while some think its based on mental capacity.

Is someone who is 45 with the mental capacity of a 8 yr old, an adult??

 

[almitywife]

then maybe we should use the terms adult and adult like behaviour

 

[24940]

Is someone who is 45 with the mental capacity of a 8 yr old, an adult??

My wife says no. The government says yes.

 

[piikki]

As far as the board, my issue is not with the pictures (bikinies/speedos/whatever), is not with cuss words either. My issue is more with the prevalent Kumbaya philosophy. It is unnatural and with a few exceptions it is a fake. There is a bunch of members here, from different places (geographically and mentally), suposedly all have diving in common but our diving is different too. Some of us take out diving a lot more serious than others. That's not all, we have many definition of seriousness. How can we pretend to be nice to eachother all the time? who are we kidding? Is it that horrible to have a good heated exchange of posts when things come to a head, say what you need, get it out of your system and then feel free to go on.

Instead there is a forced nice front that I can see leads to holding grudges. Read some of the posts above.. some people is recalling things that happened years ago, why? because they didn't get it out of their system.
yes, I know the oh so terrible "personal attacks' , omg... do people realize this is cyber-stuff? no one is coming to your house to slap you around. No one can fight with you unless you allow them. Some one says something you don't like, either tell them so or ignore them.

Lot of good points raised above. Makes me nearly want to clear up that even though I have repeatedly requested SB not to vote yes for “adult language” , I very much acknowledge belonging to the group of non-likables. I curse and I am perfectly capable of sarcasm and nastiness. I absolutely promote heated discussions too. I’d like to have a discussion board but I would not utilize it in a suggested form because I would expect it to impact the level of discussions drastically. Shame because there are a bunch of members here that I find intriguing who often participate in the so called train-wreck threads that I try to stay away from. I’d welcome a chance to get into juicy debates with them. There’s a difference between discussion in which people are capable and willing to rip apart my reasoning and showing me I am a dork vs repeatedly telling me I am a screaming fat idiot. I know that’s too 5th grade and boring for many but that’s how I am wired when it comes to discussion boards. Just expressing my opinion.

I have detected some tendency for the PC/Kumbaya-emphasis you talk about but I am quite not so sure about SB being so terribly fake. There might have been some silly incidents but in general things flow without too much chanting.

I too have sometimes wondered how seriously people get invested in some of the battles but then again I try to remind myself that might be just my loss of enthusiasm. I agree that it would be better to have people steam it off rather than see the ranting go on month after month. I do not know how “mouths have been shut” or what the “crimes” were or how politically correctly things were dealt with. It’s tiring to see the same things over and over in the SB-improvement threads though. Someone got slighted and it’s the downfall of the whole SB – everybody is leaving because of it etc. (I still think most people leave SB due to natural causes. Like most people don’t quit scuba because of SB either!) My participation is very sporadic but I read the board regularly, and I have to say some themes just keep on popping up, and I am not seeing too many new faces bringing them up. I think it’s great SB wants to keep up and satisfy but sometimes it also seems like some suggestions aren’t made with best of intentions.

 

[JeffG]

Shame because there are a bunch of members here that I find intriguing who often participate in the so called train-wreck threads that I try to stay away from. I’d welcome a chance to get into juicy debates with them.

It actually the train wreck threads that are the most fun. They get the most views...the most posts and gets people hearts pumping.


I'd like to find a way to keep them, instead of closing/deleting them at the first reported post.


The fact is that the ones that can't stomach those threads, will stay away.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Because as an adult I should be able to choose how I want to act....not be told how to act.

...ohhh I see how that can be confusing to some/all. The term 'adult' is debatable based on context. Some consider an adult anyone over 18, while some think its based on mental capacity.

Is someone who is 45 with the mental capacity of a 8 yr old, an adult??

While others think it's based on maturity.

I get your concept ... I just don't think it'll work in the context of what you're asking for.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

The fact is that the ones that can't stomach those threads, will stay away.

Not likely ... that's like saying that people who can't stomach DIR will stay out of the DIR discussions. How true is that?

I agree that the train wreck threads can be fascinating ... and I wouldn't even really object to loosening up the rules a little bit.

What I would object to is an increase in nastiness and personal attacks that, I believe, would be the logical outcome if those rules were loosened up. Personal attacks are never necessary to make a point, and add nothing to a conversation ... not even one that's a train wreck.

All they do is encourage those with predatory personalities to overpower the conversation.

That's not at all what I want to see ScubaBoard become ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[JeffG]

Not likely ... that's like saying that people who can't stomach DIR will stay out of the DIR discussions. How true is that?

That because they lie...even to themselves.

Heck...they even do their seagull impression and poke their heads in to say "How nasty DIR is" LOL

I agree that the train wreck threads can be fascinating ... and I wouldn't even really object to loosening up the rules a little bit.

To me..that is what the goal is. I guess the question is...how to implement it. (and I've given my 2 cents on that)

What I would object to is an increase in nastiness and personal attacks that, I believe, would be the logical outcome if those rules were loosened up. Personal attacks are never necessary to make a point, and add nothing to a conversation ... not even one that's a train wreck.

I think they would be inevitable as well (due to the nature of passionate debate), but I think could be managed. (or at the least...worth trying)

 

[Kim]

Is this what is being requested - the right to be nasty and make personal attacks on other people? I thought it was just about the content. If it's more than that I very much doubt it would work at all.

Why isn't it possible just to allow people to talk about what they want, or post funny stories/cartoons etc - but refrain from nastiness or personal attacks? That's how it works in real life most places. Go into a bar and you can talk about whatever you like, and read any (legal) kind of magazine/newspaper you like - start a fight and you'll get thrown out on your ear. That seems simple enough to me. Personal attacks are clear and usually easy enough to deal with. It's hard to deny that you did it, or feel that you should have had the right to do so IMO. Posting gray area stuff that might be OK, or might get you into trouble is where it's much more difficult because firstly, different Mods might see it differently, and secondly, the poster might also disagree because they think it was OK. Sometimes we see that - "Why did my post get deleted when so and so could post xyz in that other thread?"

While I have no problem with content, I'd have a big problem with an increase in nastiness and personal attacks. Be as scathing as you want about what someone has said, attack it at will - but don't attack the person who said it. Otherwise it won't ever be a discussion, it will just be a bar-fight, and I might be wrong but I'm not sure that anyone is asking for that.