Failed OW for Breathing Too Much; How can I fix it?

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It's $80 for the weekend for a 7mm wet suit and 7mm long johns (giving 14mm of protection) plus the 4 air tanks, bc, regular. Plus their time. I do have to pay admission to the quarry which I consider seperate.

After the first of 4 dives I was pretty much 1 on 1 with instructor. And to get to quarry from our location it's $20 in tolls + $20 in gas/per day, so I didn't think $80 is a big price.

I mean basically i'm paying $40/day to have more instructions on 2 dives for two days?



Perhaps it's liability too. They feel if I dive deep and run out of air, it wouldn't be right to them?


Jump through whatever hoop they ask you to jump through (within reason!) and get your c-card.

Everyone's gas consumption gets better with time. It's not something to worry about in the beginning.

Let us know how it goes...and welcome to the board!
 
Instructors who will tell you you need more time, and then make it available to you, conveniently, at what appears to me to be a reasonable cost, are rare.

Go diving next weekend with your instructor. Pay attention. Have fun. Don't worry about it...nothing you've described so far should preclude you from eventually passing.

The instructor thinks you need some more supervised experience. Like Rick Inman, I wish more instructors would spend more time with students who appear to need additional time in the water.

Best with your diving.
 
So, are they requiring the extra sessions or offering them?

Requiring..

The other person taking the dives that weekend got their c card, so it wasn't like they said everyone must come back..


Just need tips as I want to pass.
 
Instructors who will tell you you need more time, and then make it available to you, conveniently, at what appears to me to be a reasonable cost, are rare.

Go diving next weekend with your instructor. Pay attention. Have fun. Don't worry about it...nothing you've described so far should preclude you from eventually passing.

The instructor thinks you need some more supervised experience. Like Rick Inman, I wish more instructors would spend more time with students who appear to need additional time in the water.

Best with your diving.

Agreed - if the instructor thinks you need some more work and is offering it to you at reasonable logistics and cost, go for it!
 
Requiring..

The other person taking the dives that weekend got their c card, so it wasn't like they said everyone must come back..


Just need tips as I want to pass.

There must be another factor that they are considering. Air consumption isn't a requirement as far as I know for any agency. Furthermore, from what you state, your consumption really isn't that off the curve for where you're at.
What's important is, that regardless of the reasons you understand that the session is being required for, someone cares enough about teaching you how to dive to do the extra work, and like the others, I am very happy to see that. Let us know how your sessions go.
 
Welcome to the board *WantToPass*.

The reason for failing OW seems odd (very odd). Your SAC rate based on your description is hardly horrible, and better than a lot.

OTOH, getting two more days out with an instructor is never a bad thing, and for $40 a day that's a good price.

You may want to rethink your name. WantToPass may seem fine now, but how about in four years. You are not allowed to have SockPuppets, so if that is the name you want to use, enjoy. If not, PM one of the admins, tell them you are new, and did not give this a lot of thought.
 
First off, I want to echo what some other people have said, and praise your instructor for not passing you when he didn't feel you were ready, for whatever reason. Spending some more time in the water with you at the cost of equipment rental (which, if it's wetsuit, tanks and BC, seems pretty standard), is a very nice thing for him to do. Making sure you're comfortable and competent before you're certified is actually a great way to increase the likelihood that you will go on to be an active diver.

As far as dealing with gas consumption, there are three things that contribute heavily to blowing through your air. One is nervousness. Someone who is anxious or stressed has a much more rapid respiratory rate, frequently with a shallow, inefficient pattern, and blows through gas. In fact, more rapid breathing can be a personal clue to stress underwater. I don't know how comfortable you felt in your OW dives, but if you were uneasy, you undoubtedly used more air.

Second is respiratory pattern. You will have been taught in your class to breathe slowly and deeply. The reason for this is that, in each breath, a certain percentage of the gas is used to fill up your mouth, trachea and major bronchi, structures that don't participate in gas exchange. This is called "dead space". If you are taking very small, frequent breaths, then a higher total percentage of the air you move through your body in a minute is filling the dead space. With longer, deeper breaths, the dead space becomes a smaller percentage, and you end up having to breathe less per minute to keep your CO2 level steady. So slow, deep breaths make the most of your gas.

Finally, gas consumption is related to effort. More muscle activity translates into more oxygen need and more CO2 production, and therefore increased breathing. Trying to travel fast underwater uses gas, which is one of the reasons we try not to swim INTO current. One of the most frequent sources of inefficiency underwater is a diver who is not truly neutral. If you are diving with your feet below you, every kick drives you upwards. So that you don't ascend, you keep yourself a little negative. This means a part of the effort of every kick is completely wasted; it doesn't drive you forward, it just keeps you from sinking. The solution is to be able to be horizontal, so that your kick is aimed forward, and you can dive at neutral buoyancy.

Hopefully, this will give you some ideas. Get your weighting close to correct (do a formal weight check at the beginning of your dive). Arrange your weights so that they permit you to assume and keep a horizontal position in the water. Don't rush around. Keep your hands still. Relax, and breathe with a slow, deep, rhythmic pattern. All of these things will reduce your gas consumption.
 
As others have already stated, there is probably another underlying reason for the instructor not passing you. It may be that you were not displaying the comfort level underwater that he/she was looking for. They may have based the too much air factor on comfort level, although they should have just told you the true reason for not passing you. I am strict on my students as well, I use the "Would I trust them to dive with my loved ones" test, if not I will not pass them. However, I will go back with them at no extra charge if they are willing to put forth the effort to pass, regardless of how many times it takes. It sounds like your instructor is doing this with you, and that's good for you. Just remember if it's worth doing, then it's worth the effort on your part to pass. Exercise and Dive Time will lower that Air Consumption. Good Luck
 
Just need tips as I want to pass.

Okay, moving on to tips then...

The first, and biggest thing that comes to mind with regard to your air consumption and overall comfort level in the water is this: RELAX. You said that when you swim, your breathing rate goes through the roof. That says to me that you're working your butt off when you swim. You want to avoid working hard when you dive... it's not supposed to be good exercise. Remember, increased effort = increased breathing.

I can think of several reasons you might be working hard, and will offer tips for each:
  1. You're trying to break a speed record. Slow down... it's not a race, and you'll actually see more if you aren't racing past all the interesting little things. You'll be more efficient if you think "kick and glide" instead of "kick like crazy".
  2. You're struggling to maintain your orientation. If you stop kicking, don't move your hands or feet, and find you tend to roll over, float feet-up, or otherwise feel like you're about to spin out of position, your "trim" needs to be adjusted through a combination of technique and weight positioning. Technique can be learned over time, but for now, weight position is key. If you're having this problem, you're likely expending effort (and therefore wasting air) trying to stay put. Ask your instructor for help with this.
  3. You're fighting against improper weighting. If you find you sink or float if you stop swimming, your buoyancy isn't quite right, and you'll expend energy swimming against the tendancy to float or sink. This problem is often compounded by having too much or too little weight... the closer you are to "ideal weighting", the easier it is to control buoyancy. Again, if this is a problem, ask your instructor for help getting "dialed in".
  4. You're so excited you can hardly contain yourself. Who can blame you? Scuba's cool. Settle down though, or it'll be over before you know it. Since you seem relaxed when you're staying still though, I suspect you aren't having this problem.
  5. You're on the verge of panic. Remember, this is supposed to be fun, you can breathe, and you've been taught how to dive. As the panic-reducing mantra goes among the advanced technical divers who have to solve their problems underwater, "Stop, think, act." As long as you can breathe, you're still okay.

The bottom line, again, is relax. If you have to struggle and work hard, something isn't quite right. Fix it, and enjoy!
 

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