Why NOT DIR?

[Guba]

So, to extend the logic...

Poster A asks "Why NOT DIR"? Poster B (not being DIR) gives reason why he/she doesn't subscribe to it. Poster C states, "people who are not DIR don't really know what it's all about and shouldn't render judgement in such a way until they know what it IS about." Poster D implies that only those who are DIR truly know "what it's all about". ERGO Only DIR divers can adequately answer the first question posted by A, yet they have no reason to since they ARE DIR.
Sounds like this thread was doomed from the start.

 

[LIVES4SHARKS]

My 25cents...dive the way it works for you. But for me I am more comfortable in my BP/W than I was in my Jacket BC. For me, I am comfortable in the water knowing my buddy is in reach of me at all times, espcially since I am diving a single tank not doubles (yet). For me, the simplicity of my rig and uniformity makes it easier for me to work with my buddy and vice versa. For me the long hose makes sense in a LOT of scenarios, not just cave/wreck. As a lifeguard, giving someone some space to calm down is easier than being in their face. This applies underwater too. I can maneuver around them to fix a problem instead of making a dash to the surface. I have found the control I have learned in the water from DIR divers has and will help me when diving in OW with large predators. Along with not damaging the reef I like to coast over. There are many many applications for the DIR setup, but if you haven't read anything more than scubaboard, then you are making assumptions that as the saying goes...makes an *** out you and me. In cave country, I have had the pleasure of talking with and meeting some incredible divers. I have seen them in action in the water and it is phenomenal how much control they have and can task load, along with a multitude of other things while hovering. DIR is not for every diver, I have only just begun my education and training. This type of philosophy takes a lot of dedication, a lot of work, and alot of training in the water. But the rewards, for me even in a short time have been worth it.

Like anything else, there is always good and bad in every sport. I think the "attitude" is misread as arrogance, most of those I have met are passionate about their diving and the way they dive. Plus the divers I have met and watched, definitely can prove that the proof is in the water and how they dive. When it comes to attitude, I have found more bad attitudes from the LDS that trained me when I walked into the shop with my long hose. So before everyone bashes one side or the other, I think we all need to just realize that we all are in the same sport. How we take it, where we take it, is a personal choice.

DIR isn't just your setup, its a complete package, with safety as being the forefront in it's dive philosphy. Everything revolves around that. So I would recommend doing some reading to maybe understand where DIR divers are coming from. http://www.amazon.com/Doing-Right-Fundamentals-Better-Diving/dp/0971326703

Happy diving y'all!
Carolyn:sharks:

 

[Sideband]

The overly equipment intense and buddy dependent format just does not suit my underwaer explorations.

So, how goes those underwear explorations?

ohhhh... UnderWATER.... I get it now

 

[John_B]

http://www.amazon.com/Doing-Right-Fundamentals-Better-Diving/dp/0971326703

I love the way the third party resellers on Amazon have that book priced at $110 and up when its only $24 direct from GUE (including shipping)!

John

 

[Dan Gibson]

Are you suggestion each (rig and diver) need to be independently nuetral?

You guys are quibbling and missing the point, even an aluminum plate is too heavy unless your diving tanks that are positive. Neutral diver/Neutral rig should be the goal if you are really interested in doing it right.

 

[Thalassamania]

Yes, within reason.

 

[LIVES4SHARKS]

I love the way the third party resellers on Amazon have that book priced at $110 and up when its only $24 direct from GUE (including shipping)!

John

Dang I didn't look at the price! LOL! Shoot...it must be gold plated! It was just an easy link to what the book is. I know you can get it at dive shops in cave country for the price you are talking about!

Here is more information that is free! LOL! http://www.frogkick.nl/index.htm?http://www.frogkick.nl/artikel_dir_enekton.htm

Carolyn :sharks:

 

[JeffG]

Are you suggestion each (rig and diver) need to be independently nuetral?

It would be the best possible situation, but there are a lot of configurations that wouldn't even come close.

Diving big dual steels in a drysuit being one of them, but sometimes the need for gas outweighs the other issues.

 

[Thalassamania]

It would be the best possible situation, but there are a lot of configurations that would even come close.

Diving big dual steels in a drysuit being one of them, but sometimes the need for gas outweighs the other issues.

Worst possible case is perhaps a pair of LP8-121 overfilled to 3500PSI. Each tank is thus about 12 lbs negative when full and pretty close to neutral on stop at that end of the dive. So a set of doubles is 24 lbs negative (this diver’s nuts, so add two can lights, for 4 more lbs) and let’s round up a plastic backplate rig to 30 lbs negative at the start of the dive.

At the end of the dive, after your buddy has had catastrophic failure of both his regs right when you hit Bingo Air, and you’ve both emptied the two LP8-121s getting out and making your stops, the rig is neutral.

Now since you’re diving into an ice cave in the arctic you’ve to on a drysuit and 400 weight jimmies. Since you’re 6’4” and run 17 stone, even “shrink wrapped with a squirt” you’re wearing a 30 lb weightbelt (rubber with wire bail buckle, of course).

Works for me … keep the suit right at even “shrink wrapped with a squirt,” trim the rest with the wings, that’s about as close as you’ll be able to get in a worst possible case.

But add a 12 lb backplate and put 8 lbs on the rig and just wear a 10 lb weight belt? I can’t see it.

 

[Nemrod]

So, to extend the logic...

Poster A asks "Why NOT DIR"? Poster B (not being DIR) gives reason why he/she doesn't subscribe to it. Poster C states, "people who are not DIR don't really know what it's all about and shouldn't render judgement in such a way until they know what it IS about." Poster D implies that only those who are DIR truly know "what it's all about". ERGO Only DIR divers can adequately answer the first question posted by A, yet they have no reason to since they ARE DIR. Sounds like this thread was doomed from the start.

Brilliant and absolutely right.



N