Suggestion Is it possible to use an AI tool to summarize long threads?

[JohnN]

In the years I've been following SB, there are often long threads that do contain nuggets of very useful information, e.g., the thread "Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops"

At ~270 posts and still growing, there must be an easier way to get the essence of the discussion, rather than slog through the pages.

 

[tursiops]

In the years I've been following SB, there are often long threads that do contain nuggets of very useful information, e.g., the thread "Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops"

At ~270 posts and still growing, there must be an easier way to get the essence of the discussion, rather than slog through the pages.

The longer the thread, the more likely it contains -- in addition to useful nuggets -- some bad or really bad or even dangerous misinformation. Until you have a skeptical, fact-checking AI-bot, I would not want to see such a summary.

 

[bradlw]

I went to chatGPT, and entered a search:

summarize this page please: Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops

I'm thinking that it only summarized the first page of the thread
Probably need a way to view the entire thread on one page (one URL)
and the result might have been better (or at least longer) if I'd selected "Deep research"

ChatGPT said:​

The ScubaBoard thread titled "Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops" explores the concept of using real-time gradient factor (GF) metrics, specifically GF99 and SurfGF, to guide ascent profiles during dives, potentially replacing traditional fixed-depth safety stops.ScubaBoard+10ScubaBoard+10ScubaBoard+10

Key​

• GF99: Represents the current supersaturation level of the most stressed tissue compartment during ascent, expressed as a percentage of the maximum allowable supersaturation (M-value).ScubaBoard
• SurfGF: Estimates the GF99 value if the diver were to surface immediately, providing insight into the decompression stress upon surfacing.ScubaBoard+2ScubaBoard+2ScubaBoard+2
• GFLow and GFHigh: Parameters set by divers to define the lower and upper bounds of acceptable supersaturation levels during ascent, influencing decompression stop depths and durations.ScubaBoard+4ScubaBoard+4ScubaBoard+4

Discussion​

The original poster, OctopusLover, questions the necessity of traditional safety stops when modern dive computers provide real-time GF data. They propose a continuous ascent strategy that maintains GF99 at GFLow, allowing for a gradual reduction in inert gas load without fixed stops.ScubaBoard+7ScubaBoard+7ScubaBoard+7ScubaBoard+4ScubaBoard+4ScubaBoard+4

Community responses highlight several considerations:

• Practicality: Maintaining a precise GF99 during ascent is challenging in open water due to environmental factors and the need for precise buoyancy control.ScubaBoard+13ScubaBoard+13ScubaBoard+13
• Physiological Considerations: Some divers suggest that staged decompression allows the body to adjust more effectively, potentially reducing the risk of decompression sickness.ScubaBoard+1ScubaBoard+1
• Lack of Empirical Data: There is limited research on the efficacy of continuous GF99-based ascent profiles compared to traditional staged decompression, making it difficult to assess safety implications fully.

Conclusion​

While using GF99 and SurfGF to guide ascent profiles offers a personalized approach to decompression, practical challenges and the current lack of empirical validation mean that traditional safety stops remain a widely accepted practice. Divers interested in adopting GF-based ascent strategies should do so cautiously, considering both the theoretical benefits and the practical limitations.ScubaBoard+6ScubaBoard+6ScubaBoard+6

 

[arkstorm]

That summary is scary good. The future was yesterday.

 

[JohnN]

That summary is scary good. The future was yesterday.

"Welcome to the future. We're glad you made it"

Firesign Theater

 

[bradlw]

That summary is scary good. The future was yesterday.

yes, it is kindof crazy. I only just recently started playing around with it after a conversation with my college Junior Son. I found that when you really start digging deep in a topic it tends to forget variables form earlier in the conversation, and sometimes things are wrong, but when you point out it's mistake it corrects itself well. Weird for sure!

 

[bradlw]

I tried a new search. This time seeing if I could get it to look at multiple pages, so I copied in the URL's for the first 10 pages of the thread. I was too lazy to go beyond ten.

summarize the following conversation: Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops

ChatGPT said:​

The ScubaBoard thread titled "Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops" delves into the intricacies of decompression theory, particularly focusing on the use of Gradient Factors (GFs) and the GF99 metric in dive planning and execution.

Key Discussion Points​

• Understanding GF99 and SurfGF: GF99 represents the current supersaturation level of the most stressed tissue compartment during ascent, expressed as a percentage of the maximum allowable supersaturation (M-value). SurfGF projects what the GF99 would be upon immediate surfacing.
• Continuous vs. Staged Decompression: The original poster (OP) proposed a continuous ascent strategy, maintaining a constant GF99 (e.g., 40%) to optimize off-gassing, as opposed to traditional staged decompression with fixed safety stops.
• Practical Challenges: Experienced divers highlighted the impracticality of maintaining a precise GF99 in real-world conditions due to variables like buoyancy control, environmental factors, and individual physiological differences.
• Tissue Compartment Dynamics: Discussions emphasized that different tissue compartments (fast vs. slow) absorb and release inert gases at varying rates. A continuous ascent might not adequately address the off-gassing needs of slower tissues, potentially increasing decompression sickness (DCS) risk.
• Gradient Factor Settings: Divers shared insights on selecting appropriate GF Low and GF High settings (e.g., 50/70 or 60/80) to balance decompression efficiency and safety, noting that these settings influence the conservatism of the decompression algorithm.
• Limitations of GF99: Some participants cautioned against relying solely on GF99 for ascent decisions, especially when breathing high-oxygen mixtures like pure O₂, which can alter inert gas gradients and potentially misrepresent off-gassing status.

Conclusion​

While the concept of "riding GF99" offers an intriguing approach to decompression, the consensus among experienced divers is that traditional staged decompression remains more practical and reliable. The GF99 metric serves as a valuable tool for monitoring decompression status but should complement, not replace, established decompression practices.

For a more in-depth exploration, you can read the full discussion here: ScubaBoard Thread on Riding GF99.

 

[tursiops]

Not bad. Now, ask it if you will die if you wear split fins.

 

[pauldw]

Most everyone has heard of the lawyer who made national news when he got in trouble for letting AI write a court document--completely invented cases that do not exist, fabricated quotes, and citations to pages in the nonexistent case. Not a one off thing, though: a lawyer in my state is before the state's court of appeals for doing the same thing in an appeal. I would not bet my life on bad programming.​

 

[lexvil]

I tried a new search. This time seeing if I could get it to look at multiple pages, so I copied in the URL's for the first 10 pages of the thread. I was too lazy to go beyond ten.

summarize the following conversation: Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops

ChatGPT said:​

The ScubaBoard thread titled "Riding GF99 instead of mandatory/safety stops" delves into the intricacies of decompression theory, particularly focusing on the use of Gradient Factors (GFs) and the GF99 metric in dive planning and execution.

Key Discussion Points​

• Understanding GF99 and SurfGF: GF99 represents the current supersaturation level of the most stressed tissue compartment during ascent, expressed as a percentage of the maximum allowable supersaturation (M-value). SurfGF projects what the GF99 would be upon immediate surfacing.
• Continuous vs. Staged Decompression: The original poster (OP) proposed a continuous ascent strategy, maintaining a constant GF99 (e.g., 40%) to optimize off-gassing, as opposed to traditional staged decompression with fixed safety stops.
• Practical Challenges: Experienced divers highlighted the impracticality of maintaining a precise GF99 in real-world conditions due to variables like buoyancy control, environmental factors, and individual physiological differences.
• Tissue Compartment Dynamics: Discussions emphasized that different tissue compartments (fast vs. slow) absorb and release inert gases at varying rates. A continuous ascent might not adequately address the off-gassing needs of slower tissues, potentially increasing decompression sickness (DCS) risk.
• Gradient Factor Settings: Divers shared insights on selecting appropriate GF Low and GF High settings (e.g., 50/70 or 60/80) to balance decompression efficiency and safety, noting that these settings influence the conservatism of the decompression algorithm.
• Limitations of GF99: Some participants cautioned against relying solely on GF99 for ascent decisions, especially when breathing high-oxygen mixtures like pure O₂, which can alter inert gas gradients and potentially misrepresent off-gassing status.

Conclusion​

While the concept of "riding GF99" offers an intriguing approach to decompression, the consensus among experienced divers is that traditional staged decompression remains more practical and reliable. The GF99 metric serves as a valuable tool for monitoring decompression status but should complement, not replace, established decompression practices.

For a more in-depth exploration, you can read the full discussion here: ScubaBoard Thread on Riding GF99.

Keep asking it the same question until the conclusion is “use the search function!”